Bon Aire section and other exterior changes to Hotel Breakers

Pete said:
a Season Drinking Plan!

They do that on the cruise lines, not actually a bad idea.

Yeah a $10 season alcohol drinking plan sounds about right. Lol!

The votes are in and people who don't drink alcohol have made the decision for the park that there are plenty of places in the park to not drink in. Therefor no new places to drink. I mean really how are they going to make any money selling alcohol to people that don't drink alcohol. LOL.

I do agree that there really isn't a good reason to put another drinking establishment inside the resort area. You can drink beer in your room/campsite. You can carry a beer around on the boardwalk. You can take a cooler of beer down and sit on the patios or in the lobbies. The only place that I know of at Breakers you can't drink your own inexpensive alcohol is at the pools and on the beach because of the water. I have never had a problem drinking beer within the Resort properties. I usually carry one with me back to the park and throw the empty can away before entering the park. There are signs posted as you enter the pools and beach that say no alcohol past this point.

redsfan said:
You can drink beer in your room/campsite. You can carry a beer around on the boardwalk. You can take a cooler of beer down and sit on the patios or in the lobbies.

Except in those scenarios, you've most likely purchased alcohol elsewhere, which is exactly why the park should offer additional places with alcohol. They're losing out on some serious money.

The old "I don't drink, so neither should you" argument is pretty old and tired. As long as someone knows how to hold their booze, they are doing nothing to infringe upon you, so why does it matter if they are provided more places to obtain and consume alcohol?

Sometimes it's less about the drinking and more about just getting away from the kids, yours or otherwise. It's nice to have these adult oases here and there, even if they don't specifically restrict those under 21 (like the swim up bars do).

I have no issue at all with adult venues here and there, nor allowing tactful and sufficient places to get a beer or wine or whatever might be the case. Personally I don't invoke the "I don't so you shouldn't" argument. However it is a family friendly venue, the kids don't, as often as not the parents won't while with them, and overall CP is not an adult drinking venue as a whole. A balance is required. I've seen my alma mater successfully split the difference at basketball, football and hockey games. I think you can satisfy both sides.

However If people are going to CP and their main concern is where to get "booze" then they are going to the wrong place. If they are at the resort, OK. It is better than a full-on night club-which actually isn't something I'd oppose either if done right. More beer carts in the park? OK, I trust CP to police the people that toe the line on drinking too much.

And I too agree that it can be nice to escape the kids for a bit now and then. Disney finds ways of doing that so it clearly can be done.

I ran out and had to buy beer at the marina. It was $15 for a 12 pack. I like how the beer sales are at KI. Out on the midways there is beer sales all over the place. If your interested in purchasing it's there. CP you have to go out of your way into a saloon. It's not available on the midway. You are now alowd to carry it around the park though. I really don't see how someone could get extremely intoxicated on $8 beers though. I will usually buy a beer at the park because it's a cold beer and I don't have to walk back to the camper/room to get one. But after paying $8 for my refreshing drink we'll ride a ride or 2 then I'll want to go to the camper/room for awhile if I am still thirsty.

I'd imagine the big consumers of alcohol didn't bring their children or don't have to be with their children at the park.

^ actually this year at CP almost all of the walk up food stands sold beer and malt beverages.

And you have been allowed to take the beer out on the midway for as long as I can remember. And yes, you can get very drunk drinking $8 beers - you just have to drink enough of them:)

I see many great thoughts and opinions, in regards to the adult beverage situation. Most of us know where it's obtainable through-out the amusement areas. But inside the resort areas, it is limited.Just because I can BYOB, and enjoy it in non-restricted areas, doesn't mean I want to all the time. If we're adults, of legal drinking age,why not have a nightclub/bar?

I'm hoping the new, resurrected Surf Lounge at the Breakers will have more of a night club atmosphere. The old one, before it became Beaches and Cream, usually had some live entertainment (singer or band, not park shows) and was a pretty good place to spend some time in the evening.

There needs to be something to do at the Breakers after the park closes. Especially when it closes at 10PM. I've stayed up late there many times, and the only thing to do is the arcade.

Saloon Junkie said:
There needs to be something to do at the Breakers after the park closes. Especially when it closes at 10PM. I've stayed up late there many times, and the only thing to do is the arcade.

Indeed. Then you also need to figure out who will have access to said "thing to do." While it is good and fine for public access to the beach during park hours, do they let folks malinger in the resort space for the nightclubs? Could get crowded and such.

But it is worth figuring out.

Nightclubs and bars sound good and all after the park closes but I couldn't imagine how a hangover would go over the next day at CP. Barf.

NWLB...

...why did you quote the previous post? It's right there above your post.

..."malinger" means to exaggerate or feign illness so as to escape duty or work. Perhaps you meant to say, do they let folks linger in the resort space?

...the beach and the resort space would seem to be two different things. And how hard can it be to restrict certain areas to those of legal age?

CPboy77 said:
Nightclubs and bars sound good and all after the park closes but I couldn't imagine how a hangover would go over the next day at CP. Barf.

Ahhh, but they have the "Splatt Squad!"

noggin said:
NWLB...

...why did you quote the previous post? It's right there above your post.

I say malinger to relate how I look on people that simply "won't leave." I'm aware of the precise meaning however.

No, I don't think it is simply easy to flush people from the beach and other areas.

It is only MHO but I have long been amazed at how liberal access remains for so much of the resort areas. I can still drive all the way back to the hotel, walk the halls, stroll the beach, eat anyplace, even cop rides in the shuttles for no other reason than having shown-up. There isn’t any specific way to know a hotel guest from a general park visitor without having to gate some areas, require quest IDs to get into some areas, etc.

To which we come to a hypothetical “night club.” Such a venue could be overwhelmed by general park visitors if located within the resort areas. Do you restrict it to the resort guests, most of whom aren’t going to use it? Doubtful. Do you find a way to locate in or near the hotel space, providing more buffer in capacity? How do you channel park visitors out to parking if the park itself is closed and they aren’t parked in the resort lots?
The point being that you have long standing ways and traditions to contend with.

Shuttles? Maybe, and I think transportation within the Cedar Point properties and areas needs to be improved greatly anyway.

That actually wouldn't be a bad idea. I'm not sure where specifically you would place this hypothetical club, but I imagine it having two staffed entrances, one to the outside accessible by the GP and one leading to the hotel with access control. I imagine it being kind of like how the entrances to the Horseshoe from Tower City are in Cleveland.

Shuttling wouldn't be a bad idea considering that there's really no way to have a direct route from the Breakers lot to the main lot. If you got just a regular 20-30 passenger shuttle bus and ran two or three of them (one loading at each end and one en route, possibly) depending on passenger demand you could empty the club pretty quickly.

I've never heard of a hotel that doesn't let you in or use the restaurant or bar unless you were a guest. I don't see why you find it odd that anyone can enter the Breakers or the resort area. I really doubt a nightclub being mobbed by park goers is an issue. And if it is, they would simply make it bigger, why throw away business?