Witches' Wheel Removal Speculation
Skyhawk06
Yes, but where would they put it? Maverick and Skyhawk have quite some time ahead of them. I Think SRF has some high value to the park still because of its maximum soakage. Maybe remove thunder canyon?
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Chief Wahoo
Removing the Witches Wheel might provide a "window" for some type of attraction (coaster) to exit the park proper ala Magnum. You'd basically have an "exit" alley between Gemini and the Magnum lift.
Where "it" goes from there I don't know...but removing Sandcastle Suites opens up a pretty good piece of land for some type of turnaround element. I'm not advocating this, mind you, because I still think the tip of the peninsula is prime real estate for a boutique resort taking full advantage of the view down there.
I don't know anything but IF they plan on going over 500' at some point in the foreseeable future then they are going to need a pretty good stretch of land to bleed off speed.
If they remove Dinosaurs Alive you now have an interesting corridor between Camp Snoopy and Dragster that lines up pretty well with Witches Wheel also. Maybe there is a chance for a new log flume in that area that takes advantage of the island and the removal of Shoot the Rapids.
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vwhoward
RCMAC said:
vwhoward said:
I like the sensation of the Canadian Skyhawk. And if you can get it spinning, urp... uh oh... HUUURRLLLL.Fixed that for you.
Some people can handle it, others cannot. Just like Witch's Wheel 😉 My dad always said if you can ride Witch's Wheel, you can ride anything.
Joe
Eat 'em up, Tigers, eat 'em up!
MichaelB
Chief Wahoo said:
Removing the Witches Wheel might provide a "window" for some type of attraction (coaster) to exit the park proper ala Magnum. You'd basically have an "exit" alley between Gemini and the Magnum lift.
Where "it" goes from there I don't know...but removing Sandcastle Suites opens up a pretty good piece of land for some type of turnaround element. I'm not advocating this, mind you, because I still think the tip of the peninsula is prime real estate for a boutique resort taking full advantage of the view down there.
I don't know anything but IF they plan on going over 500' at some point in the foreseeable future then they are going to need a pretty good stretch of land to bleed off speed.
Over in the 2019-2025 thread, I posted a very rough "sketch" of something similar to what you're talking about. Witches' Wheels sits right past the end of where the first drop of a 500 foot coaster could be.
Chuck Wagon
They can remove Dragster and put the lift hill there. Then the drop can go past where Witch's Wheel is now.
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XS NightClub
Given this years attendance figures, they may want to save some money and just add an extra 100’ to Dragster for your 500’ wet dream.
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Front Seat Rider
My guess is the world's largest top spin. About 4 feet higher than the other ones.
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DRE420
There is a guy on Facebook that claims he has "insider information" that Wicked Twister is being moved to the Witches Wheel spot. 😂😂😂 Yeah, ok, it will totally fit there 🤦♂️
XS NightClub
Something untrue on facebook?
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Skyhawk06
Surprise, surprise. Idiots claiming they have inside info. Why can't we just have fun speculating here?
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CoasterGuy15
Unfortunately I don’t think there will be any new buildings built where the old sandcastle suites was. The land there is the reason why sandcastle was so dilapidated. Just horrible conditions for any building and a breeding ground for mold mildew etc (which is what was in sandcastle)..
Chief Wahoo
I don't buy it being a problem with the land. The conditions on the tip of the peninsula can't be much different than the conditions under Hotel Breakers. And, here in Florida we build on the beaches (not very proud of that) all the time.
Sandcastle was built with poor materials because the management at the time wasn't completely convinced that resort growth was going to translate into revenue growth. In other words, they weren't all in and theu built it very cheaply. Just walk down a Sandcastle hallway and then walk down a Breakers East or Tower hallway and you could tell the difference immediately.
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MichaelB
The former SS site isn't some geological anomaly, close to conventional methods of construction can be used on the site. While it isn't exactly like building a new hotel next to 71 near Mansfield, they wouldn't be building on a bed of quicksand with bedrock 100+ feet below the surface.
Cargo Shorts
Speaking of quicksand. When I was a kid I thought quicksand was going to be a much, much bigger problem in life than it turned out to be.
Urumqi
Cargo Shorts said:
Speaking of quicksand. When I was a kid I thought quicksand was going to be a much, much bigger problem in life than it turned out to be.
hahahahaha! Me too!
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tedders55
Its the Lightning Sand that you really need to look out for, and the ROUS.
operative_me
So is there a Witches Wheel Willie or someone named like that? Will they go to absurd lengths to make sure they are on the last cycle of Witches Wheel? Do they have a home made Witches Wheel shirt?
These are the questions that need to be answered.
-Craig
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kylepark
Not if Himilaya Hank and Scrambler Steve enter the line after him.
jimmyburke
Ah, fond memories of Schmedley Schwabinchen......and Dudley Demon Drop.....and Earl "Shakes" Earthquake.
CoasterHawk
Could this have anything to do with the return of Western Cruise?
GigaG
^Unless they use an elevated bridge or drawbridge for whatever Forbidden Frontier is, that probably can't happen.
XS NightClub
With the overwhelming dunes, plains and deserts what does a Western Cruise have to do with Frontiertown other than shoddy theming for a ride in some ponds?
I get the train theming with frontier town, but the riverboats?
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RideMan
By the same token, why has there never been any kind of riverboat ride at Kings Island, in RIVERtown?
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GigaG
^Because there's no river. Which only deepens the mystery further...
Dvo
There used to be a bigger log flume ride, called Kenton's Cove Keelboat Canal in that section of the park, but it was taken out. Which is sad, because as has been said, log flumes are great attractions. :)
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Joe E
Almost positive Kenton's was an Arrow Hydroflume with turntable, very similar to WWL. Guess there is a shelf life on those, which is unfortunate as I find them the best flumes.
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Paisley
RideMan said:
By the same token, why has there never been any kind of riverboat ride at Kings Island, in RIVERtown?
—Dave Althoff, Jr.
When we were there this summer my husband asked the Eiffel Tower operator why it's called Kings Island when it's not on an island. There was a actually a good answer for that one.
Augustmueller
Coney Island wasn’t much of an island either. More like a lake at times. Coney Island - the river + Kings Mills = Kings Island
GigaG
When I was about 9 on my first trip to KI, I made the insight that "There's no king, and there's no island!"
My mom and I still love to make that joke.
CPfan1976
Very weird to see this area fenced in on Saturday night with about 80% of the ride removal done. Alot of the surrounding trees were torn down also (gasp!). This plot of real estate is alot bigger than I thought, enough for possibly 2 new flats or dare I say, a wild mouse coaster. Check it out when you get there.
Scott Cameron
I think this would be the perfect spot for an open air bar with light refreshments. Something like Schooner's at CPS. The park needs more of these. Inside the park your only option for a real drink is Melt correct? Otherwise just beer stalls and whatnot.
Urumqi
Scott Cameron said:
Inside the park your only option for a real drink is Melt correct? Otherwise just beer stalls and whatnot.
I just realized that you might be referring to spirits with your “real drink” comment, but you can also get partially real drinks at the “tavern/pub” located at the beginning of the frontier trail, which, I believe, is the nicest place to drink a beer on the park.
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Dvo
Define "real drink..." There are several places to get a cold beverage throughout the park. Chickie's & Pete's has a bar, there's the Frontier craft beer place mentioned above, Last Chance Saloon across from Maverick, Red Garter Saloon, and the beer stands. I've never had much trouble finding a decent beer when I wanted one.
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Skyhawk06
I always get the electric lemonade at the Trail Tavern...Non alcoholic though.
As for real drinks you could just get soft drinks and the like.
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Scott Cameron
My apologies guys by "real drink" I should've said full bar. I myself am more than satisfied with all the beer choices but the wifey is kinda picky. I forgot about the Trail's End Tavern but even there (while they do have some liquor) I don't think it's a full bar. I guess I'll have to check it out again on Friday.
operative_me
Usually at the Trail Tavern the have some beers, some wines, and that Full Throttle Sloonshine which is 80 proof, if I recall correctly.
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redsfan
Melt, Famous Dave's, and TGIF are the only full bars I've been in. All serve liquor and shots. I was told by people we were sitting next to at Melt that Chic and Pete's has a strict only on the limited drink menu, only 4, and no shots policy. Family environment. If that's true or not, I don't know. They ordered shots for themselves when they saw that we were allowed to. I don't even like buying the beer in the park since I always have plenty at the resort.
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