Water Main Break
I'm not 100% sure how it works in Ohio, but here in Indiana, the customer is responsible for the water main if the problem is on their side of the meter and the city is responsible if the problem occurs before the meter. It sounds like the problems have been on the cities side and therefor their responsibility to provide their biggest customer with reliable service.
Blackie said:
Freezing temps have nothing to due with water main failures as long as it's buried at at least the minimum depth required by the county or state code.
Not true, cold temps cause freezing of the ground then thawing occurs which causes ground to shift. Rocks moved around and get smacked into the pipe and cause breaks. The water line doesn't freeze up but it certainly causes other events to occur that causes the line to fail. I have worked for a city for 12 years, we deal with plenty of line breaks when it is very cold out. A neighboring town this winter actually lost their entire well field and had to truck in water for several days to pass out rations via buckets to flush toilets and bottles for cooking and drinking.
Blackie said:
I'm not 100% sure how it works in Ohio
In Ohio the customer is responsible from the tap inward. Utility is responsible for the main.
TheEternalQuestioner said:
Well, the webcam is facing the marina to hide their shame, so...
If you can't manage to stop posting ridiculous nonsense, just stop posting. The responsibility to maintain the water mains lies with the city of Sandusky. If there is any shame, it lies with them. CP did the right thing closing down.
Marcie916 said:
TheEternalQuestioner said:
Well, the webcam is facing the marina to hide their shame, so...
If you can't manage to stop posting ridiculous nonsense, just stop posting. The responsibility to maintain the water mains lies with the city of Sandusky. If there is any shame, it lies with them. CP did the right thing closing down.
Amen!!!!
Bill02 said:
A neighboring town this winter actually lost their entire well field and had to truck in water for several days to pass out rations via buckets to flush toilets and bottles for cooking and drinking.
I think people are confusing the impossible with having to work extremely hard. As Bill points out from first hand experience, the town continued to function for several days. They just had to work hard and truck in water for a few days. I'm sure it was a huge pain, but they managed without evacuating the town due to health and fire concerns. Not all of CP property was without water, only the peninsula. Water could have been trucked in from properties off the peninsula (Breakers Express, employee housing, etc... to alleviate all fire and health concerns. Would it have been a huge job? Sure. Impossible? No way. Management just made the decision it would be too much work. It's okay if lots of you agree with their decision. Being utterly unprepared and helpless to rectify the situation without a disaster recovery plan to help the park remain open likely contributed to their decision. Trying to pretend they didn't have other alternatives is unfortunately inaccurate. At least they are trying to make up for their mistake.
The park also could have built a bunch of space ships, colonized Mars, extracted frozen water from the caps, bottled that, sent it back for purification, then re-bottled it, and shipped it to the park.
That they didn't is clearly evidence that the park is run by a bunch of unprepared Nazis. That's the only explanation.
Brandon
I think he missed the part about the probability of the causeway being shut down to perform the repair. Not to mention the 20+ other factors. Wow!! Just Wow!!
I think it's re-stating the obvious that trying to keep the park open during the break repair would've been an even more massive public relations disaster.
Have you been to ANY concert/sporting event/festival and seen how fast porta-johns go from clean to nasty? They would have to pump them practically every hour to keep up with the crowd load, and that's just for porta-johns.
As it was, it's a social media thing that will be forgotten about in a matter of weeks. If you tried to keep the park open and had people tweeting pictures of nasty porta-johns or lines to use said porta-johns, let alone the traffic trying to come in and out of the park around a work zone in the middle of the causeway or parking lot, that would've been much more of a public relations fiasco.
It's not rocket science, it's not even second-grade science.
No they need the car insurance commercial with the guy and the fishing pole holding a bottle of water.
Oh you almost had it :P
Corkscrew, Power Tower, Magnum, & Monster/ Witches Wheel Crew 2011
Well guru made some wide assumptions on my post. I can tell you the first 24-48 hours for the town I mentioned SUCKED. He has clearly never been involved in any sort of emergency planning or activation of a plan. Sure they trucked water in. Most of it was non potable though. Clean water was highly rationed. Guess what? In that case all schools and most businesses closed until water was restored and boil order lifted just like CP did!
Ouimet will cut a deal with aliens currently living in secret underground bases here on earth. Existing alien ships will make the Mars runs saving the park the considerable expense of building their own fleet of space ships. Advanced alien technology which warps light will allow instant response to the next water main break, allowing delivery of water from Mars in just 30 minutes or less after being dispatched. The money saved by not having to build space ships will go towards additional fireworks for the Luminosity show.
I'd rather be in my boat with a drink on the rocks,
than in the drink with a boat on the rocks.
Bill02 said:
Not true, cold temps cause freezing of the ground then thawing occurs which causes ground to shift. Rocks moved around and get smacked into the pipe and cause breaks. The water line doesn't freeze up but it certainly causes other events to occur that causes the line to fail.
Even with the very cold temps this past winter, the freeze line did not pass 4 foot, which is the minimum burial depth in Indiana and Ohio. Your telling me that the ground shift was so severe that a rock smacked the pipe or ground shifted with enough force to break it, seriously? Just for confirmation, I called a fellow licensed plumber from our office in Canton, OH who is also licensed in California where he grew up, so his knowledge of ground shifting is better than any of the 46 licensed plumbers that we employ in 4 states. He laughed when I explained your hypothesis. If the line was installed in 1959, it's most likely made of galvanized steel with a small possibility of being a textile line while the sewers from that era are mostly made of reinforced concrete and smaller lines are made mostly of clay tile and are likely buried above the water main. The drain lines are far more susceptible to ground shifting than the water lines are. It sounds like they need to replace that line with SDR 909. Things are a little different over there, but not by much.
I have worked for a city for 12 years
At what capacity?
Pete said:
...allowing delivery of water from Mars in just 30 minutes or less...
Or it's free! Because, you know, amusement park guests are entitled to nothing less!
Brandon
The line was actually cast iron as explained in several articles.
Corkscrew, Power Tower, Magnum, & Monster/ Witches Wheel Crew 2011
ThePointGuru said:
Water could have been trucked in from properties off the peninsula
Where exactly do you get that on a moment's notice? In 2000, the Sandusky Register reported that Cedar Point has a water usage of 2,000,000 gallons per day during the summer. Is that something they can run out and get from Home Depot? Maybe Amazon? Probably would have needed to use the $4.99 overnight shipping option with the Prime membership. The free two-day option would have been pointless, given it was resolved by then.
Of course, a town facing a outage lasting several days and affecting the homes and lives of their citizens, is a direct, apples-to-apples comparison to what happened at Cedar Point.
2M gallons..I can't even picture that. How much pressure has to be on that line to get that much water from point A to B at a constant pressure. Man engineering is cool sometimes, thats a cool feat.
Corkscrew, Power Tower, Magnum, & Monster/ Witches Wheel Crew 2011
Wow finally caught a break. Left Lighthouse point in my 5th wheel around 8:00 am. Drove by the water main break and told my wife there are going to be issues today. By the way I say caught a break because we arrived at CP the day of the 2003 black out was not a pleasant experience.
Does anyone know if they made the campers leave? If they did I feel bad for all those that came in Friday...
We left the campground by 3-4PM and they weren't making people leave by that point. Some did, and many stayed. They even brought around a cart with free bottled water. Classy move, CP.
Closed topic.