Update: July 26

By chance do u know which one has less down time??? lol thats a big deal to me i hate getting up to Wicked Twister and allof a sudden it breaks down right before i get on!!!!!!!

BTW wicked Twister is an LIM right????

WT is LIM.

I could be flat wrong here, but I thought the LSM's were older / less used technology and loud. I don't know if they have more problems though.

Wicked Twister uses LIM's.

http://www.wtov9.com/index.html Hey guys this is the web site about the theme park that i was talking about .Hope i dont get in troble for doing this .

^^ What your doing is against the rules. Unless it's about Cedar Point, it's not allowed.

LIMs very rarely break down. All you have to do is calibrate them and stuff then you will almost never do anything the whole time it's used. I could be wrong though.

http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=4521

I say the descending supports are brakes and the spot with all those footers is the station. It's near the midway. After that turn is where the launch/lift could be. Just my thought. or the brake run is out of the pic to your left, and the launch could be where the supports ascend. That would be cool launch into a high G turn.

*** Edited 7/27/2006 6:20:52 PM UTC by Turbo Jaw***

LIMs and LSMs are pretty much company preference from what I gather. Depends on the designer. I believe Premier Rides uses LSMs where Intamin uses LIMs.

Turbo Jaw said:
LIMs very rarely break down. All you have to do is calibrate them and stuff

What's stuff, bang with hammer and scream?

My theory is that the low line of supports is for a bunny hill type thing. It looks likes the train is going to come around the corner by the midway, dip into a valley over the former exit of WWL, then go back up a little hill. If you look at the footings on either side of the straight-a-way, they're almost identically symmetrical. It leads me to believe that the lift hill supports will straddle this straight run of track. Basically, you'll be under the lift hill.

TommyTom,

We're Cedar Pointers here, baby boy. Get back on the subject. I can imagine that you're excited, but it may be better worth the trip to Cedar Point than that place near your home. *Smooches*

j2k95sunfire said:
LIMs and LSMs are pretty much company preference from what I gather. Depends on the designer. I believe Premier Rides uses LSMs where Intamin uses LIMs.

Premier uses LIM.

Intamin uses both LIM and LSM.

A couple of things to correct about your LIM and LSM descriptions, though.

LIM doesn't use magnets at all. LIM uses a fin that rides in a slot between 2 coils, called stators. When these stators are fired, it creates a reaction with the fin to force it along with the direction of the current. LIM is a basic push motion.

LSM uses a stator on the track and a magnet on the train that is attracted to, and then pushed away from each stator on the track. It does not use a slotted stator, rather a solid bar or something similar.

And everyone's statement/questions of "Aren't LSM's unreliable, loud and slow?" No. Vekoma's been using them for years on several of their rides, and the launch is quieter, slightly smoother, and just as fast as a lot of the LIM ride systems I've experienced.

Hey TommyTom, don't get your hopes up. I live in Omaha Nebraska and the same park with the same name, and same blueprint was supposed to be being built here to. In fact it started out that the park was going to be built in Council Bluffs, Iowa just across the river. It never happened. Then last year they came out and said that they were going to build a 100 acre amusement park by the name? You guessed it, "Wild Escape". Well over a year later and no construction and no talk of it being built. This company keeps saying they are going to build a theme park and they never do. Please don't get your hopes up. Here is a link to the park that is supposed to be built here in Nebraska. Looks oddly familiar doesn't it??

http://www.portnebraska.com/index_files/Page350.htm

A stator is an electromagnet ;)

OK, I guess I'll quote and nitpick, then.

j2k95sunfire said:
LIM: Linear Induction Motor;

A method of launching a roller coaster train down a straight section of track using electromagnets mounted on the track and on the train. Magnets on the track attract the magnets on the train, accelerating it forwards, until the magnets on the train pass those on the track, at which point the magnets on the track reverse polarity and work to repell the train forwards

First thing, there's no electromagnets mounted on the train. It's a single metal fin that rides down the slot in the stator.

Second, the action of push-pull you're describing above are characteristic of LSM, not LIM. LSM uses a rare-earth magnet on the train that passes over the stator, and does everything you described above.

LSM: Linear Synchronous Motor;

A method of launching roller coaster down a straight section of track using electromagnets mounted on the train. These magnets on the train create a magnetic field around a metal rail that slides between the magnets, which pushes the train forwards

This is LIM action. Again, there's no electromagnet on the train. The stators for LSM are usually flat and bar-like, whereas the LIM stators have the "rail" in the center.

There's no pull with LIM, it's all push.

I am new to this site so be gentle. I have been reading as much as I can of everypost so I dont get slammed cuz some of the people here are just harsh.... well here goes nothing...

" A whole new direction"---- could it be some sort of rider majority rules per train automatically driven switch track? Riders press a button and choose a path and it computes majority rule and sets up for it?

Again please dont slam---- just a thought from looking at some of the footers..

Well, sir! I do beleive that statement to be very thought provocative and... well down right interesting.

But not probable at all. Sorry. The idea just kinda sounds preposterous. for many reasons: space, intruige (who'd want to wait in line for hours on something they're nto sure of riding)... it just complicates things too much.

But congratulations on your first post! (I was sad when no1 congratulated me...)

That's a cool idea CoasterBoy. I don't think we'll see that for quite some time, though. One of these days, I bet we'll see it. Most likely Disney will pioneer it.

Yeah that's a Disney ride for sure.

I though about something like that a while back, something with multiple swictch points that would give a different ride every time...

Nice job bringing it to the forums!

Also, with the LIM/LSM thing -

The difference is how they are controlled. One is active, one is passive. Other than that, they are essentially the same.

LSM - These fire accoring to a computer-controlled program, which can automatically adjust itself for extra wieght, friction, etc. The computer "synchronizes" a series of electro-magnets [synchronous motor, duh] so that they fire at the correct time and accelerate the train. The computer is also able to reverse polarity so that the launch system can push and pull simultaneously.

LIM - These are triggered by the fins [or whatever] on the train making contact with the motor [or stator]. This completes the circuit and turns that particular stator on. The motor then pushes the train to the next one, and the process repeats. An LIM system is basically like a standard electric motor [which is a rotary induction motor] "unrolled" into a flat strip [hence, linear induction]. This is a passive system, because all you have to do is supply it with juice, and the movement of the train controls the firing of stators, much like the rotor controls the firing of the stators in a normal RIM. The LSM system is active, as each magnet requires individual control.

Placement of magnets on the track/train is largely irrelevant, just as long as there is a stator, something for it to move, and a way to fire it in sequence.
*** Edited 7/27/2006 10:18:36 PM UTC by Kinotama***

Exit! Dont kill the messenger! My definitions were quoted word for word from the "web definition". Like anyone knows what the hell we are talking about anyway....

I've said nothing about you, nor do I think any less of you. I just wanted to clear it up. I figured that's where people are getting the definitions. The web is unreliable as hell most of the time. And I agree, no one but us freaks knows what the hell we're babbling about. :)
*** Edited 7/27/2006 10:26:32 PM UTC by Kinotama***

Hey, I'm not killing the messenger here, I'm just helping clarify. :)

Also what Kinotama said about the computer control.