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If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Neither Mantis nor Mean Streak are "broke". I understand that these coasters are not popular rides with some enthusiasts. Given their continued presence in the park, clearly Cedar Fair finds them to be worth the cost of keeping them.

Disaster Transport wasn't broke- it actually had almost 1,000,000 rides in 2006... More so than Mean Streak.

Mean Streak is not broken? Uh, okay.. So that's why I swore off riding it after being thrown around way too much last time. Nothing wrong with a roller coaster that makes you want it to end by the midway point.

Disaster Transport was broken. It was a lame, dull ride. Kinzel himself said so. The building was a hideous box obstructing the views of the world class beach that point Cedar Point on the map. The ride itself might have attracted riders but how many of those were for the AC?

DT was removed because maintenance was becoming cost prohibitive.

You don't like the ride. That's fine. But the ride remains in the park, and that says to me that the ride is "earning its keep". You may think the ride is "broken", but apparently enough non-enthusiasts disagree with you sufficiently that Cedar Fair keeps the ride in place.

Who cares if most of the rides Disaster Transport was getting were for the AC? Frankly, that's the reason I would ride the ride. But Cedar Fair doesn't care why people are riding a ride, Cedar Fair only cares that people are riding a ride.

Common sense tells me that if the ride wasn't losing the company money, it was worth keeping in place until a better opportunity was available.

topthrilldragster4lyf said:
Mean Streak is not broken? Uh, okay.. So that's why I swore off riding it after being thrown around way too much last time.

Just because you personally think Mean Streak is rough doesn't actually make it so. How many wooden coasters have you actually been on? There are many that have a less comfortable, more rib cracking ride than Mean Streak. I find Mean Streak to be a very rideable coaster that just does not have the most exciting layout. But I do have fun on it and find it enjoyable and comfortable to ride.

Yep.... Getting off of a ride physically in pain doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the ride. And straw man, much? Just because something worse exists doesn't mean you should marginalize it.

noggin said:
You don't like the ride. That's fine. But the ride remains in the park, and that says to me that the ride is "earning its keep". You may think the ride is "broken", but apparently enough non-enthusiasts disagree with you sufficiently that Cedar Fair keeps the ride in place.

That is horrible logic. Using the logic of it's still here so is must be doing well would result in nothing ever leaving. Using your logic Disaster Transport should have never been removed because it was here is 2012 so it must be doing well.

I'm not saying if a ride is still in the park it must be doing well. I'm saying that if a ride is still in the park, it's doing well enough to keep until the company finds something better to use the space for. Not the same thing at all.

If Disaster Transport and/or Space Spiral were costing Cedar Fair money to keep in place, they would have been gone long ago, replaced with more profitable attractions.

As far as Woodies go.. THE VILLAIN at Geauga Lake was pretty intense if I remember correctly.. it was pretty fast and the ride really rocked you.. that was a great woodie in my opinion.. dont know why CP didnt snatch it up and they just left it to rot.

I'm sticking with my wild mouse-esque/Dark Ride hybrid theory.

They will take one of he newer Wild Mouse designs..

S&S Screamin Squirrel/S&S 3D Mouse.. or some type of wild mouse design.. and turn it into a Dark ride.. sort of like Dark Knight at SFGA

They could expand the Pirate ride building vertically to give it enough track.. make it like 2100ft long.. that would be excellent.

^^ That is still bad logic. You have been saying that Mean Streak and Mantis will not be changed because they are still here and haven't been changed. At some point things will have to change. We don't know when that will happen, but your argument of they are here now so they are doing good enough and won't be changed is flawed logic. I am not saying they are being changed, but dismissing the idea of them being changed because they are still here is just plain stupid.

I am NOT saying that Mantis and Mean Streak will not BE changed because they haven't BEEN changed.

What I AM saying is that those coasters haven't been changed because, so far, the company hasn't found reason to change or replace them.

And, frankly, that those coasters continue to be present in the park as they are does suggest to me they likely won't be changed. They may be removed, but making over coasters is not a one size fits all solution.

Isn't there already a tear Mean Streak down thread already started. For as many people as you represent, maybe 25, you sure do make alot of noise. How many parks have a 4 minute wooden coaster. Mean Streak is a great ride not many parks have. If it wasn't off in a corner the line would be longer. It cuts 4 minutes off the line just to walk to the line. I love wooden coasters. Mean Streak at night is a must for me most trips. Blue Streak isn't any smoother, it's just only a minute long. I grew up riding Beast at KI. It whips you around too. I want to ride on the Racers backwards again.

There are plenty of places the park can build in other than Mean Streak. They didn't retrack it to take it out with the new track on it. And they have 2 Texas Giant treatment coasters in the park.

^^Looks like you are having some issues with the caps lock :)

Actually you are.

noggin said:
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Neither Mantis nor Mean Streak are "broke". I understand that these coasters are not popular rides with some enthusiasts. Given their continued presence in the park, clearly Cedar Fair finds them to be worth the cost of keeping them.

noggin said:
You don't like the ride. That's fine. But the ride remains in the park, and that says to me that the ride is "earning its keep". You may think the ride is "broken", but apparently enough non-enthusiasts disagree with you sufficiently that Cedar Fair keeps the ride in place.

You clearly state that because the rides are present in the park that they are doing well enough. You are using that to dismiss the idea that one or both could be converted.

In your last post you say they haven't found a reason to change or replace them yet, but how do you know that they don't see these conversions as a good investment?

All of your arguments are based around the idea that this cannot happen unless they announce it is happening.

Let's just all agree that no one here has a frickin' clue about what's coming.

Fair enough?

:)

Tony could help, he and Cedar Point have just chosen not to...at least up until this point.

Then again, why listen to mi ?

Dead Sexeh said:
Mean Streak 5,427' of track
Rattler 5,080' of track

First of all I don't think a conversion will happen, but I just have to point out how bad your argument is. Less than 400' of track is not much shorter.

Just admit you made up a number to support your argument with no knowledge of how long it would take.

Where are you getting that data? According to both Wikipedia and RCDB, IR is 3266' long.

EDIT: I see now where you got your info. The old wooden track of Rattler was 5080'. But that's obviously irrelevant, since the installation of the new (much shorter) track is going to take a lot longer than ripping out the old.

In fact, even if we assume MS would get the same length-reducing RMC treatment as IR, it would still take over a year to complete... if it were in Texas. The same project on a peninsula in northern Ohio would likely take longer.

godsonsafari said:
This assumes a tremendous amount about the RMC treatment on Texas Giant that I'm not about to follow and/or don't believe.

And yet you're assuming or believing the park is planning something for MS, even though there has been absolutely no indication anything is planned?

Whew, you guys are arguing like a bunch of middle aged women at a hair salon. Mean Streak isn't broke. However, it is rough to me. The roughest wooden coaster I have ridden given that it really doesn't have many sharp/quick turns and loses so much momentum. I have ridden many wooden coasters, some much older, some newer. I think a lot of a persons perception of how "rough" a coaster is depends on their own physical build. I tolerate Mean Streak much better than my friend. There are things that could be done to make it more tolerable to those who aren't fond of it without tearing it down, such as better trains. Nothing wrong with putting more comfortable trains on the current track to increase ride enjoyment. Like I said... I do just fine on mean streak. My friend, who is definitely not one to complain on a coaster, absolutely hates the ride due to the discomfort it causes him. It isn't broke, but it could be improved on.

All this talk about removing MS or giving it a new track is really getting tiresome.

Can we get this thread back on track? (pardon the pun)

Personally, I hope CP doesn't remove MS for many, many years. I hadn't rode the coaster in many years until this summer. I often had felt the ride too bumpy and had gotten headaches from it in years past. This year; I've been on it at least 6 or 7 times as my son is now tall enough for it. Surprise.... we love it!

Yes... it's noisy. Yes... It's bumpy. Yes.... it's not the same ride with the added trims, but it's still a fun ride. It's a great layout!

Here's a tip; lean forward a bit in your seat. Not having your back up against the back of the seat seems to help with the vibrations (at least for me). Enjoy the ride. Look for the positives. Provides a great view of the back of the park. It's a great woodie -- so much track. Long ride. Usually a fairly modest wait.

Mean Streak is 23 years old. It seems well maintained and ridership seems pretty high. I'd guess it still has many years of life left in it. Blue Streak is 50 years old. The Beast at Kings Island is 35 years old. Cedar Point doesn't seem in a hurry to tear down popular rides.

I enjoy riding both Mantis and Mean Streak, but if we were going to rate the coaster collection at the Point, I am sure these two fall pretty low on the list. When I go with family and friends (non of which are enthusiasts) they are intent on skipping these two. Sure the rides get riders, but maybe from first time visitors who don't know any better.

A couple things...

When a ride requires special instructions (i.e. lean forward; don't sit over an axle; etc.), it had better make up for it in other ways.

Maverick, which I would argue requires a certain amount of "defensive" riding, is good enough to make up for the special instructions. Mean Streak? Not in a million years. Little, if any, airtime. No scenery. It's just... blah.

And comparing it to BS or The Beast?!? Absolute heresy. And I'm not being the least bit facetious.