New for 2015

Ugh. I step away from this forum for 24 hours and come back to 3 pages of "tween girls" fighting over which boy is cuter. This thread is giving me a headache.

I'll stop back in after the park actually announces something.

(That is unless Tony tweets a picture of his pirate boxer shorts - we all know what that will signify!!11!!!)

djDaemon said:

EDIT: I see now where you got your info. The old wooden track of Rattler was 5080'. But that's obviously irrelevant, since the installation of the new (much shorter) track is going to take a lot longer than ripping out the old.

You say this as if it establishes your timeframe as being accurate. It doesn't.

In fact, even if we assume MS would get the same length-reducing RMC treatment as IR, it would still take over a year to complete... if it were in Texas. The same project on a peninsula in northern Ohio would likely take longer.

There's no actual evidence of that. The best you have is that Texas Giant took 16 months to be converted. Ignoring for a moment that it was the prototype, there's also the fact that it didn't take 16 months.

And yet you're assuming or believing the park is planning something for MS, even though there has been absolutely no indication anything is planned?

What did I say in my prior post about what my expectations were? Feel free to look back yourself so I don't have to.

I have a couple things to say. Mean Streak is a ROUGH ride, that could be replaced with a much better woodie. Take for example, what would you prefer a Mean Streak or an El Toro? Taking in consideration the longest I've waited to ride MS is 30min, Not very much. When I went to KI and waited to ride The Beast, 1:30min wait. They are very different coasters. Now there was a comment up there that said The Beast is 35 Y/O and MS is only 23 Y/O, Well The Beast is a MUCH more popular ride, It is also an ACE landmark. Is MS an ACE landmark, I don't think so. Just goes to show CP should look in to the Revamp or the Replacement of MS. As tony said "We wont make you wait a century"

djDaemon said:

Dead Sexeh said:
Mean Streak 5,427' of track
Rattler 5,080' of track

First of all I don't think a conversion will happen, but I just have to point out how bad your argument is. Less than 400' of track is not much shorter.

Just admit you made up a number to support your argument with no knowledge of how long it would take.

Where are you getting that data? According to both Wikipedia and RCDB, IR is 3266' long.

EDIT: I see now where you got your info. The old wooden track of Rattler was 5080'. But that's obviously irrelevant, since the installation of the new (much shorter) track is going to take a lot longer than ripping out the old.

In fact, even if we assume MS would get the same length-reducing RMC treatment as IR, it would still take over a year to complete... if it were in Texas. The same project on a peninsula in northern Ohio would likely take longer.

djDaemon said:

In chronological order, NTG took 18 months, IR took over 9 months, and Medusa took almost 10 months.

The old track length is really pretty relevant since no one knows the track length for the hypothetical Mean Streak makeover.
Remember prototypes take longer to build so the new texas giant's build time was inflated. I see you're pulling numbers out of thin air again to support your argument. Rattle took 9 months to convert so how are you getting that a conversion of less than 400' more of track will take over a year. I would also like to point out that working in a park that is open to the public slows down productivity so the difference it build time from texas to ohio isn't as great a you think

godsonsafari said:
You say this as if it establishes your timeframe as being accurate. It doesn't.

Can you come up with a more logical time frame? I don't have the expertise to do so, so I'm using past performance, since that's all we have.

There's no actual evidence of that. The best you have is that Texas Giant took 16 months to be converted. Ignoring for a moment that it was the prototype, there's also the fact that it didn't take 16 months.

You're right - NTG's conversion took 17 months. TG closed on November 1st, 2009. NTG opened on April 4th, 2011. That's 519 days. Or 17.1 months. Or 1.4 years.

Dead Sexeh said:
Remember prototypes take longer to build so the new texas giant's build time was inflated.

Correct. That's why I used the most recent project (Medusa) as a basis, and that took 9.9 months to complete (Aug 18, 2013 - June 14, 2014).

I see you're pulling numbers out of thin air again to support your argument. Rattle took 9 months to convert so how are you getting that a conversion of less than 400' more of track will take over a year.

Sure, if MS gets reduced to the same length as IR, then MS should only take 9.4 months... if it were being done in Texas. The same project on the tip of a peninsula in Sandusky is not likely to take less time.

And this is also assuming CP wouldn't go for the longest RMC coaster record, which would be surprising.

I would also like to point out that working in a park that is open to the public slows down productivity so the difference it build time from texas to ohio isn't as great a you think

That's generally true, but take a look at a map of SFFT. IR is easily accessible from outside the park, throughout its layout. It's actually more easily accessible than MS, since there aren't resorts or lodging to work around.

But again, you're kind of missing the point. Note that in every example of an RMC conversion, not only were those rides already closed by this time (+/- a few days), but there were already tons of prior indicators that work would be done (survey markings, rumors, etc.). There's nothing to indicate CP plans anything for MS that would be ready in time for 2015.

For 2016 or beyond? Sure, maybe. But not for 2015.

There is still plenty of time for MS to be changed for the 2015 season. The main problems that people have with the coaster is that it is too rough, or a somewhat dull ride experience. These are the same complaints people have about Mantis. It is obvious what is needed for MS to become one of the best and most popular rides at CP - floorless Trains of course!

None of the track would have to be re-done and the engineering is way simpler than Mantis as MS doesn't even go upside down. A few quick modifications to the loading station and there it is, a brand new MS that is the best woodie in the world!

We all know that floorless trains will make MS less rough, there will no longer be jack hammering etc... Also the floorless trains will allow all of the trim brakes to be removed turning what some consider to be a dull ride into non-stop heart pumping thrills.

Now before I get criticized that this is just off the wall speculation - there has been numerous hints and hard evidence that this will indeed happen for 2015. the most telling, and also the most recent, came yesterday. One of the live web cams was focused on Mean Streak so it is obvious this coaster will be altered for 2015. The other web cam was aimed straight down at Power Tower itself, you could catch a glimpse of the PT ride vehicles which are... Floorless of course!!! So easy to figure all this out.

I think there will be a announcement on Aug 20. I think this because tony posted on twitter someone asked how long we have to wait til 2015 he said 4.5 mouths but 4 times 5 = 20 also In one of his tweets he put not yeT the capitalized t could mean 20 because t is the 20th letter in the alphabet. yes this could all be mean nothing but I think it means something that there will be a 2015 announcement on Aug 20 also that is 1 day before the carowinds announcement

One thing they can do to Mean Streak is replace the hard rubber seat backs with some nice, soft foam padded seat backs. That would probably make the ride more comfortable to those who find it painful.

I thought he said 4.5 months because the question was "how much longer are we going to have to wait for 2015?" Tony responded with 4.5 months because it was about 4.5 months until new years day - which means the wait for 2015 would be over.

djDaemon said:

Can you come up with a more logical time frame? I don't have the expertise to do so, so I'm using past performance, since that's all we have.

I don't work for RMC, ergo I don't pretend to know precisely what their schedule would be for an imaginary rebuild for Mean Streak, especially without having any idea what any of the variables in place for such a rebuild (quality of existing structure, type of wheels on the train which likely would affect track length, etc.) would entail. You, however, seem to think you do.

You're right - NTG's conversion took 17 months. TG closed on November 1st, 2009. NTG opened on April 4th, 2011. That's 519 days. Or 17.1 months. Or 1.4 years.

Opening day and "construction completed" are different things. Gatekeeper did not take 10 months to build.

BTW: Since I'm guessing you didn't go back and look, I said that I believed the webcam was turned in that direction for haunt construction based on what I saw in the park this past weekend. Maybe I can repeat this again in a couple pages when you want to break that strawman out again?

I don't know if this has to do with anything, but Tony tweeted "The music. The music is so important."
https://twitter.com/TonyClarkCP/status/499934898699141121

Do, a deer. A female deer...

You want to "do" a deer? Well at least you want to do a female deer. Hate to see what you do with the goats in the petting zoo.

Whatever they have in store for 2015 it will be great

You need to brush up on your music, Shades. :) That's what it's all about...

Hopefully Tony's tweet has something to do with them finally fixing the organ in the carousel like they did at KI.

Tony also tweeted: "I know it's totally cryptic, but I received news earlier that made me VERY excited for the future here. #sorryhadtoshare"
https://twitter.com/TonyClarkCP/status/499962512394428416

The new building beside GateKeeper will house a new haunted attraction- Hexed.

http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/features/2014/08/14/first-look--ceda.../14053849/

Coasterfreak10 said:
Gatekeeper is down anyone know why ?

There is an entire thread about that at :

http://pointbuzz.com/Forums/Thread/31020.aspx?page=2

And GateKeeper is not new for 2015...