New for 2015

^I would rather see Mantis be re themed and revamped even though you guys said it cannot be done. I also think If you re-do the Mantis station, and maybe tinker around with the layout such as the loops, then you have a chance of putting the Floorless trains on it. Mantis is a good ride the way it is, but revamping it a little wouldn't hurt. :)

No one said that Mantis cannot be altered. It has been said, however, that it would likely be costly with unpredictable benefits both in terms of improved ride experience and increased ridership/park attendance.

^ In my opinion, I think it would be worth the Investment. It just seems that different people on here are making it sound like even the track would have to come out. I thought they had the same track?

No, it wouldn't have to come out. However, the ride experience would change as a result of the altered body position. Therefore, to keep from dulling down the ride (or making it too forceful, as the case may be), the ride would need to be re-profiled. That is not to say they couldn't simply replace the trains. However, what everyone is saying is that it would not necessarily be a good or better ride experience.

Lets think. CP has limited space. They definitely aren't getting anything MAJOR for 2015, while it is "thrilling". They need something popular that doesn't take much space, but will still attract more people. What popular/common rides do other Cedar Fair parks have that CP doesn't? A Backlot Stunt Coaster, Vekoma Boomerang? A flat ride, maybe like Riptide at CW? Possibilities? I hope not, I want something new and fresh.

A dark ride, on the other hand, doesn't seem like a fit for CP. I think (and hope) that CP is smart enough to know that. They just got rid of that giant ugly box DT, and could get a new one? I thought CP's plan was to use the beach to their advantage, not block it off with a giant box. But if they did, I think it would be a Flight-of-Fear thing. Cedar Fair will keep the Tech-whatever at Canada's Wonderland and see what it does for a few years.

Finally, if CP gets a new coaster they will most likely have to take one down. Which would go next? Mean Streak, Corkscrew, Mantis? Because of that, CP could renovate the rides they already have. Make them seem new. Turn Mean Streak into a RMC, since there's NEVER a line for it anyway. Trash Mantis's painful standup trains for floorless ones. And if they were to get a new coaster, it's a Vekoma Flying Dutchman like Firehawk at KI. Cedar Point lacks Vekomas and the "flying coaster" element.

Cedar Point.

PLEASE READ, this might narrow it down, maybe not(haha).

Just back from the point. There today 4-9pm. Rain greeted my arrival and leaving. Some observations from viewing different areas and remembrance from years past. My feelings have changed a little but still see coaster track in our future (will explain).

#1. There is no construction going on by Dragster, anywhere. What someone originally saw was probably the base being installed for the giant Kraft noodle.

#2. Most of the utility markings by Point P that were there in the past are now faded/ gone with one new one that I didn't notice before. (will expand on that in a sec).

#3. Couldn't find the green test paint on the Mantis track. If someone knows what vantage point that was seen from, please tell.

#4. Wondering if Chickies/Pete's bathrooms were closed for 2 months to prepare for future demolition of PR building. Not sure.

#5. Remembering that Mill Race's land clearing (to make way for Raptor) didn't take place until about Labor Day 93'. Will probably be the same this year (for any area) after most people go back to work/school. Not unusual.
IF any MAJOR ride IS going to happen, most of the clearing definitely won't begin until after September.

I checked out next year's possible construction areas VERY carefully and came to a few conclusions.
***There is ONE obstacle in the way of a major coaster returning back to the PP area (that nobody's mentioned yet) and that is Raptor's end run (right before it returns to the station)*** See #2...I noticed a new electrical (red) utility marking pointing (west) toward the back end of C&P restaurant pointing under the Raptor 1st lift hill track & end run. The ONLY way a complete circuit coaster could extend to the BS midway, is to first go over the Raptor station and then RETURN through it's 1st lift hill supports with ALSO Raptor's queue line re-routed where the PR building is now. This would all have to happen.
Possible? Yes. Probable? It would take a major feat of planning and engineering but it could be done I guess. Seems like a lot of work.
Was the wording of Jason's announcement of "thrill ride" catering to teens to throw us off of Dark ride idea? Not sure but it is possible I suppose.

Checked out the PP area, and noticed that the amount of land is big enough for SOME coaster track (ala Guardian dark ride), an enclosed building and a queue line, that's about it UNLESS (see #5) MORE tearing down & expansion takes place by BS midway after Labor Day. *THIS IS GOING TO BE THE KEY: the land clearing in September*.
So, my conclusion: either we're getting a dark ride WITH coaster track confined to the PP area ONLY(would be a bummer IMO after hoping for more )OR....
We'll have to wait until September to see if Turnpike cars are affected to get a bigger ride. These are the only 2 possibilities off the top of my head that I can currently think of with a slight third being a different smaller "thrill ride" going in the PP area or PR bldg. area. Don't think so though...

BTW, CrazyDan, yes remember the supports going up for TTD with NO hype/or ideas. That was the BEST!
Also, I'm with Magnum Force, going to wait now (that I've checked out areas) and just sit back for the announcement. Nice to have a year where it's NOT been leaked a head of time. I still want the new coaster next to Raptor. Sorry to ramble, I'm out...

CP is never out of room. You could say that for all amusement parks. Rides aren't always removed to make more room. They are removed because they reached the end of their life, maintenance is cost prohibitive, or ridership is too low. If they need to make more room, they can put some rides elsewhere in the park.

rider16017 said:
Lets think. CP has limited space.

Lol used this the other day too..there's plenty of room left, this land locked running out debate has gone on for years for some reason. So guess this is needed again :P

http://memecrunch.com/meme/4G6E5/cedarpointlol/image.jpg?w=400&c=1

Thedavariouseffect lol thanks! Yeah I guess CP has room... but compared to other parks (ex. Kings Island) it doesn't. You can't just point and say "let's put a coaster there!" at CP, nor can you get a land expansion. :)

Cedar Point.

If anyone here has ever been to Hershey Park, you'll notice that the rides there are more inter-connected, meaning that they go over and through each other. It's a pretty neat experience.

So, there's plenty of room left at CP; it just takes a little more planning.

CPfan1976 said:
PLEASE READ, this might narrow it down, maybe not(haha).

#3. Couldn't find the green test paint on the Mantis track. If someone knows what vantage point that was seen from, please tell.

out...

From the train, it's at the far western side of Mantis's track at ground level. It is silver and green.

Once again, I get to pull out one of my favorite links. :)

Cedar Point has been out of space for 20 years

^Thanks..I still can't believe how long that deal has been going on for.

KI may have alot of land back in the woods to the Miami, however, alot of that would take tons of earth to be moved, the ravine alone back there causes issues unless a ride pulls a Beast and stays back there. Besides, do you want a park that takes 20 min to go here or there? I don't think so :P

Hahahaha i love that ^^

Shawn Meyer said:
^ In my opinion, I think it would be worth the Investment.

Said the guy not responsible to writing the check. ;)

CPfan1976 said:
Nice to have a year where it's NOT been leaked a head of time.

That it hasn't been leaked should probably be a clue to how big of a project this is. The installations at other parks that were more or less known/leaked/whatever (HW's Thunderbird, Carowind's giga) were known because the scope of the project was too big to keep under wraps.

At CP there's been no clearing, no closing of rides, no indication of anything going, other than survey work. That almost certainly rules out a coaster, save perhaps for something on the scale of a wild mouse.

topthrilldragster4lyf said:
However, the ride experience would change as a result of the altered body position. Therefore, to keep from dulling down the ride (or making it too forceful, as the case may be), the ride would need to be re-profiled.

Not buying this theory, but what do I know. What difference would forces from Mantis be on a human body if you are sitting down or standing up? Any physics professors out there that can prove this theory?

As I understand it, rides are designed around the "heartline" of a person. So, on the same track, forces exerted on the body with a stand-up train would be different than those exerted on the body with a sit-down train.

That doesn't necessarily mean the two trains are not interchangeable, but there's no guarantee different trains would provide an improvement in the ride experience (which has been the M.O. of this fantasy).

I think the most telling item in regards to converting stand up rides to floorless is that the rumor and talk have been around for over a decade. I have not found one, not one example of any stand up ride in the world ever being converted to a floorless. Some rides were actually converted to a stand-up from regular trains, but many of those went back to their original design.

Few large coasters have ever been converted. While it may be possible to do it, it sure seems like there are good reasons that it is not a regular practice.

If I missed any rides being converted from a stand up to a floorless please let me know, I'd be interested as to how successful the conversion has been...

Even a new standup train with the vests and maybe a redesigned "seat" would be a major improvement. I have to bend and squat :) for them to get the belt buckled, i'm 6'4" and its not that comfortable.

So DJ.. that makes a record setting screamin squirrel still possible!

They never gave wildcat an adequate replacement... but a 250ft massive screamin squirrel would be awesome..

More track.. longer ride time.. better capacity.. you can do a lot of things with that ride design