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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP - Sillynonsense.com
"Climbing as we fall, we dare to hold on to our fate, and steal away our destiny to catch ourselves with quiet grace" - The Stairs, INXS
Jeff said:
Am I content with the height and speed? You better freakin' believe it. I'm also content with the "degree" of descent, and I'm not talking about straight down. ;)
You enjoy tormenting us don't you? Hehe. I don't blame you, I'd do the same thing if I was in your situation.
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- its going to launch well over 100 mph.
- go up vertical and twist left 90 degrees.
- fly over the huge tophat that will be well over 350 feet in the air.
- pull a 270 degree vertical twist to the right on its way down. (only part i'm not 100% sure of.. though it seems extremely likely)
- hit the brakes
i might be overlooking something minor.. but really.. i believe this nutty coaster is pretty obvious! Of course I do not know actual stats, but knowing its 100+ mph and 350+ feet tall is just dandy!
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Sorry to say that Superman does not come anywhere close to 385'.
http://www.rcdb.com/installationdetail140.htm
From basic mechanics, any object launched vertically at 100 mph (six flags' number) even without any friction or wind drag will only reach 326.6'.
h=v^2/2a, where 'v' is inital velocity (44.044 m/s which is equivalent to 100 mi/hr) and 'a' is the accelleration due to gravity (9.8 m/s^2). Results of course will be in meters, which is easily converted back to feet.
To top 385', the initial velocity would have to be about 109 mph, which sounds like a small difference, but actually requires almost 20% more energy. And remember these numbers are for a train in a vacuum on frictionless rails; real world results will be lower.
Instead of just calling someone's assertions "ridiculous" as CoasterBob did, or telling people they don't get what is obvious to you, let's see a little back-up for your theories. Try to convince us "non-believers" with a sound analysis. Give me some proof. If you "don't think so," how about telling us why you "don't think so."
I think most people get it and have had it for quite a while. We all have a right to say whatever we want to say, within the limits of reason and decency but you have to admit that there is a difference between what we would like #16 to be and what we believe #16 will be. But if you or anyone else can come up with some facts and logic to debunk my theory, I'll be only too glad to listen. And it needs to be a little more than "a friend of a friend of a friend told my brother/sister/cousin yada yada yada..." or "because Cedar Point wouldn't do that." I went out on a limb and backed my thoughts up with facts and logic. Can you do the same?
I would love nothing more than for #16 to be a very much bigger brother to Xcellerator, but it ain't gonna happen. I believe I've got it nailed at 450' (give or take a few feet) but I hope someone can prove #16's more than what I see. And Jeff's comments don't dissuade me one iota from my thoughts. While he hasn't told anyone what #16 will be, he has gently told people what it won't be. He didn't shoot me down, did he?
Oh, yeah, one more thing. As far as the track twist is concerned, here is a little more back-up for why Ryan's assertion of a left twisting ascent is incorrect. Every twisting piece of track that has been photographed and posted on numerous websites indicates all twists will be clockwise, or right-hand, twists. That is for both the ascending and descending sides of the tower. I’ve checked Jeff’s pics, VirtualMidway, setecx.com, itsjustabuck.com/pics/2003, thepointol.com. There is one piece that turns to the left as it twists to the right, but NOT ONE LEFT-HAND-TWISTED PIECE OF TRACK. If anyone can find one, I’d like to see it. And I don’t want to hear about pieces being stored "off-site" unless there are some pictures to back it up.
Ryan McCann said:- go up vertical and twist left 90 degrees....
- pull a 270 degree vertical twist to the right on its way down. (only part i'm not 100% sure of.. though it seems extremely likely)
Please explain to me how it can twist left first and then twist right. If it twists 90 deg to the left on the way up we'll all be getting our heads chopped off because the train will be upside down underneath the track going up the tower.
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cyberdman
The height of the tower on S:TE is 415 but if you have ever seen it operate, the train doesn't come anywhere close to the top of the track. Thus, the drop is only 328.
The Chief is correct. I'm not sure why the tower was built so tall. Perhaps original plans were to have the car go faster and higher, but testing showed something that wasn't planned for. After all, it wasn't opened to the public for a loooong time after it was built (hope that doesn't happen to #16!). Or maybe they are saving its capabilities for when a higher drop is built at a competing park; you know, just crank it up a little bit to fend off the competition. Who knows?
But I do know that the Tower of Terror at Dreamworld in eastern Australia (a very similar ride also built by Intamin a year later) has the same speed and drop stats as S:TE, but the tower is almost 40 feet shorter. Did Intamin learn something with S:TE? Or did SFMM just want the 'tallest ride'?
As for the twists.. heres a better way to put it since people just think too much about something simple sometimes.
Up... 90 degree twist counterclockwise
Down... 270 degree twist clockwise
And from every picture I have seen, it looks as though the upward side will not twist like the downward side.
Later!
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Brian, you raise a good question. If you were to stand on the top of the tower, the ascending side would appear to twist the train to the left as the train came up the track toward you. As the train goes back down it twists to the right. In both cases, the riders will experience rotation in the same direction - clockwise from their vantage point. Are we all really saying the same thing?
As I said, all the pictures show track pieces twisted in the same direction - clockwise. Are there any others out there?
Show me da pictures!
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