CO movie theater shooting and metal detectors at CP
clevelander said:
Every attempt is not reported. It is investigated and learned from. Only the major ones grab the news but not everything that is caught needs to be on Fox News.
I don't get my news from Fox News or CNN. I'm just saying that I have yet to see a major plot that was thwarted. I may have missed it though, which is why I asked you to show me.
I think metal detectors might be a bit extreme for a situation like this. These types of unfortunate situations get some people a little tense about security for a couple of weeks. Until something bad happens at a large amusement park, I don't think we will see Cedar Fair instituting metal detectors or even bag checks into the parks.
To correct an earlier post, the murderer at the theater did, in fact, buy a ticket and go through the main doors. I doubted the emergency exit story from the first time I read it since it is hard to kick in a metal door with a metal frame that opens outwards.
Therefore, metal detectors would have prevented this lunatic from getting in the theater and killing and wounding all of his victims.
Desiring to go to a place of enjoyment and knowing that my family, friends and I will be safe hardly justifies being considered a communist.
Zoug68 said:
To correct an earlier post, the murderer at the theater did, in fact, buy a ticket and go through the main doors. I doubted the emergency exit story from the first time I read it since it is hard to kick in a metal door with a metal frame that opens outwards.Therefore, metal detectors would have prevented this lunatic from getting in the theater and killing and wounding all of these people.
Alright. With that more-the-better logic, where do you -stop- putting metal detectors? If you do movie theaters, you pretty much have to do malls and any other place with a large concentration of people. At what point do you draw the line and say "here's good enough"? Walmarts have large concentrations of people too. Restaurants? Just replace all commercial doors with in-built metal detectors?
Like I said earlier, no business wants to be known as the place that that tragedy happened at. What are the first things that come to mind when you hear the words Oklahoma City, Columbine, Virginia Tech, World Trade Center and even Kentucky Kingdom.
Intelligently run businesses will and should try to do everything in their power to keep from being added to that list because once they are on it, it will be very hard to get the stigma removed.
I worked at Taco Bell during the lettuce contamination. Our sales plummeted so badly that I ended up having to keep people from working and earning a living. I ended up quitting. It took quite a while after losing a lot of money before they were able to turn things around, again.
I will bet you anything that the owner of that movie theater wishes he had installed metal detectors. That business is going to lose SO much money, if not all of it.
You know what's amazing to me? Even after the shooting happened there are still THOUSANDS of people going to see this movie. Warner Brothers is saying they are expecting at least $80 million in sales.
I doubt that movie theater will really lose all that much money.
Personal attacks here will not be tolerated.
I didn't say that the movie will lose, I said that the theater where the massacre occurred will. I just pointed out how I ran a business that had people get sick at other locations in the chain. Sales at my store, alone dropped by at least 80%. Fortunately for the owner of the franchise, he had enough money in reserve to wait out the sales decrease. If he had only owned a couple of stores or didn't have the extra cash, he would have been even more screwed than he ended up being. After that, corporate changed the way food had to be treated before they would buy it. No one has gotten sick due to that since. Now if you eat that food late at night while drinking, you deserve whatever happens to you the next morning.
This movie will go on to make hundreds on millions of dollars.....this movie theater owner will be hit with many lawsuits even though it is not his fault. It is just the nature of the beast in the USA. I bet there were lawyers handing out business cards in the parking lot.
Often quoted, but always worth bringing up:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
That's a valid point about incidents tarring the reputation of a business or franchise, as anybody who remembers Chi-Chi's can attest. However, there has to be at least some perceived element of fault in regards to the business, I would think, for it to really stick.
In the restaurant examples, it was a problem somewhere along the food supply chain or otherwise on the restaurant's end of the deal, hence the aversion. In this case though, I really don't know how anybody can say that it was the movie theater's fault. You can't say it was their fault for not being secure enough, because there are no true preconceived standards for security for a movie theater. Yes, there were no metal detectors, but neither are there at any other movie theater in the country, I'm willing to bet.
It's not something you can really pin on the theater owner at ALL even though people are sure as hell going to try.
clevelander said:
This movie will go on to make hundreds on millions of dollars.....this movie theater owner will be hit with many lawsuits even though it is not his fault. It is just the nature of the beast in the USA. I bet there were lawyers handing out business cards in the parking lot.
Great point. But I doubt many of those lawsuits will come up winners.
clevelander said:
Every attempt is not reported. It is investigated and learned from. Only the major ones grab the news but not everything that is caught needs to be on Fox News.
Why wouldn't they be reported?
Every one they show as being thwarted is a public relations win for them. They can point to that as evidence that stripping people of their rights is working.
But none have been reported because it hasn't happened.
Not one single time has the TSA actually stopped a terrorist attack.
But they've certainly strip searched more than enough children and old ladies.
It is long past due for this criminal organization to be destroyed and for those responsible for assaulting US citizens to be tried in a court of law.
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Zoug68 said:
To correct an earlier post, the murderer at the theater did, in fact, buy a ticket and go through the main doors. I doubted the emergency exit story from the first time I read it since it is hard to kick in a metal door with a metal frame that opens outwards.Therefore, metal detectors would have prevented this lunatic from getting in the theater and killing and wounding all of his victims.
Desiring to go to a place of enjoyment and knowing that my family, friends and I will be safe hardly justifies being considered a communist.
...And to clarify, it's been confirmed that yes he did buy a ticket and go into the theater. However, He did not have any weapons with him until once the movie started, It is said he left the theater through the exit and went to his car right outside and loaded up. He then went right back into the theater. So no metal detectors would have done nothing because he was able to sneak everything in after the fact of getting into the building.
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Zoug68 said:
Therefore, metal detectors would have prevented this lunatic from getting in the theater and killing and wounding all of his victims.
Not necessarily.
Unless the metal detectors also controlled access to another set of doors, this lunatic could have pulled his guns, started shooting and walk right through killing people at will in the lobby and also walk into any unsuspecting theatre room.
Closed topic.