CO movie theater shooting and metal detectors at CP
Sause said:
PyroKinesis said:
Nobody was trying to hijack/blow up planes before 9/11, and they certainly aren't now.I disagree. There were metal detectors before 9/11. And they have caught people since 9/11 with explosives in their shoes, etc.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
The "Shoe Bomber" wasn't caught by security. Nor was the "Underwear Bomber". Both of these men made it right on through the TSA's security checkpoints.
Further proof that security theater does nothing but cost money and embarrass passengers.
Brandon
So there shouldn't be metal detectors???
I wasn't commenting on the TSA pat down crap, only about his comment that "no one was trying to blow up planes before or after"
The underwear bomber was not caught by metal detectors....his device actually did manage to explode but malfucntion. THAT is the reason for the enhanced security at airports from now on and and it is totally fine by me!
Sause said:
So there shouldn't be metal detectors???I wasn't commenting on the TSA pat down crap, only about his comment that "no one was trying to blow up planes before or after"
There should be metal detectors for planes. Yes. That prevents most weaponry from getting on board. As for bombs? Well, those people have failed each and every time. Just not happening.
Pete said:
CP has procedures in place to protect from acts of violence, probably much more effective than metal detectors would ever be. I agree that this would be a knee jerk reaction which would not increase security over what is already done at the park.From what I've seen, the folks at the CP Police know how to keep that park safe as much as possible, that makes me feel much safer than seeing a metal detector at the front gate.
Playing devil's advocate - what procedures does the park have that keeps me from bringing in a gun and shooting people at the Red Garter? Seems like anyone could do that at any time. I am NOT saying to put in metal detectors. But saying that you are comfortable with the park having procedures in place to keep violence from happening seems a bit "bubble wrapped".
There shouldn't be as much "security" in airports, seeing as how they've not deterred anyone from attempting an attack.
The fact that these men not only attempted attacks, but were actually able to carry them out in a heightened-awareness, increased security, post-9/11 atmosphere, further demonstrates that security theater does little to keep anyone safe.
Brandon
The passengers on a Pan Am flight out of Scotland would disagree about bombs failing.
Goodbye MrScott
John
Believe it or not, metal detectors aren't as good as an actual human checking bags as well as checking for suspicious behavior at the gates. At the arena that I work at, we have a ratio of 1:1000 (staff:guest) in order to do gate security and rounds. I'd say Cedar Point (and all Cedar Fair parks for that matter) could afford to do so. Kings Island already does this.
clevelander said:
The underwear bomber was not caught by metal detectors....his device actually did manage to explode but malfucntion. THAT is the reason for the enhanced security at airports from now on and and it is totally fine by me!
The security protocol that failed to stop a terrorist attack is the reason you support security?
Brandon
JuggaLotus said:
The passengers on a Pan Am flight out of Scotland would disagree about bombs failing.
How many times has a bomb detonated aboard a plane since? 0.
DjDaemon said
"The security protocol that failed to stop a terrorist attack is the reason you support security?"
The pat-downs were a result of this or at least wider spread because of this. Security was enhanced after learning of they ways that various items can get through such as liquids. The shoe bomber brought on the removing of ones shoes and having them scanned, The liquids ban came after people were caught trying to ignite flamable liquids on a flight. The more intrusive pat downs were put in place after the underwear bomber. All of these DID get through the security systems that were in place at that time but have now been enhanced to hopefully prevent them from ever happening again. We all learn from our mistakes and I would rather be in a secuirty line for 30 minutes and be safer than to listen to some some centered American blast off how our rights are being infringed upon but yet not offer nothing of substance to making travel safer. It is not YOUR rights only, it is the airliners rights to try to be as profitable as possible, it the the airports rights to remain as profitable as possible, it is the innocent people that can be killed on the ground when planes crash, the list can go on. If it is simply THAT MUCH trouble to go through a security checkpoint then do not fly. Dont even go to an airport since you will be so miserable with YOUR rights being stripped while everyone else around you is being treated with the same rules.
So you would rather be strip searched and groped so you can feel more comfortable with very little added value to security than not have to waste time with such nonsense in the first place?
Yes. And there is a reason that "nonsense" is there in the first place. Is it perfect? Not at all but it IS working and hopefully can be streamlined in the future.
Please reference your sources for it working, because I have plenty to show that it's a farce and a waste of time and $$$
How many hijackings have we had since 9/11? How many items actually have been confiscated that NEVER should have been on an airplaine even before 9/11? Like I said it is not perfect at all but it there for a reason and you never had a right to board an airplane in the first place. And if there was ever some kind of "express" airline where you can buy a ticket and fly anywhere in the world with no security screenings at all whatsoever including the person buying the ticket. That will make you feel safer because it is a cheaper ticket? Be my guest!
So what you're saying is that we have thwarted zero known attempts at hijacking or bombing a plane since 9/11? Just because something hasn't happened doesn't mean that we have stopped someone from doing it.
Every attempt is not reported. It is investigated and learned from. Only the major ones grab the news but not everything that is caught needs to be on Fox News.
Closed topic.