What Would You (Realistically) Like To See @ Cedar Point in the Future

1. I want to see a live band return to the Red Garter for Halloweekends.

I would love to see many things happen in the next five to ten years at the park.

1) A boardwalk theme has been my dream of the space spiral area is standing. Something that would be awesome to include is a night time water walk through show. The water could light up and do fun things. Disaster transport has to go. It could never really fit in the theme plus is an eye sore. I think a good ride where DT is standing would be a log flume. Having one of these with an ocean theme would be fun.

2) Blue Streak's area needs some work. I really don't know if it would work, but a sports theme going along with the Blue Streaks and Game Day Grille could work. Maybe remove the Turnpikes and make a sports theme person roller coaster. Maybe another Intimidator themed roller coaster.

3) Frontier Town Mean Streak Area could use some attention. Mean Streak could use an update on there trains. I don't know if this could work, but Mean Streak's queue isn't needed as much as it has in the past. I would put an attraction in there. Maybe a Topple Tower or even a dark ride could fit in.

RideWarrior18 said:

1. A B&M that snakes through the parking lot. Wouldn't it be cool to drive in and see a coaster going over your head? You can remove all lightpoles necessary and then put the footers there. Attach flood lights to the footers, and those lights are replaced. Then put those fancy B&M nets underneath every part that would go over a car, and metion that when you buy a parking pass, you sign off liability from the park!

Scream at six flags magic mountain is somewhat like that... its built on a parking lot but you dont get to drive under the ride. I like your idea though!

^Yea, I thought that would be pretty cool. :) It'd be the perfect way to belcome you into the park, without even being in the park!

To my Soak City point: I realize that there is currently no room for an addition on Castaway Bay, which is why it will always be a sub-par resort, because there is very little room to grow and adapt, plus its over-priced, like every other CF thing other than theme park admission.

However, this does bring me to my point: the resort experience at CP is completely unique. While it is a good thing, it also poses some problems. One of them: Soak City can only be open when it is over 70 degrees out (for a decent amount of people to be there.) Outside of June, July, and August, cities on the lake rarely see those days. Don't point out the recent hot streak we've been having. Remember, this is Northern Ohio, the weather changes every time you blink.

I just believe that, with a little TLC, we'll get over the Soak City removal craze, but again, if you could magically find some space at Castaway Bay (or buy surrounding areas/make new land), then you could make a case for CP's resort to be year round, indoor-outdoor resort. Hey, couldn't you have a Kalahari system, where nonguests can buy admission to the "new" Soak City, just like now? Day passes only, of course.

I don't know. It just seems to me that outdoor water parks don't have a place on the lake.

I would really like to see a B&M Floorless coaster squeezed in somewhere at Cedar Point. No Ohio park has had a B&M Floorless since Geauga Lake closed their doors.

RideWarrior18 said:
It just seems to me that outdoor water parks don't have a place on the lake.

And that is why you don't run a water park. Soak City attracts enough guests all summer long, including in June, to make it worth while to have it on Point and open. It operates just fine the way it is. I don't understand why everyone thinks it needs the next biggest water slide to stay afloat. Soak City is not hurting in anyway at all. It is there to serve its purpose as an add-on for those staying at the resort, just like Challenge Park.

^I understand why I don't run the water park: because I'm a snot nosed teenager. :)

All joking aside, I know that Soak City attracts many of guests in the summer months (i.e. June-August), as I've been one of these guests too. It is nice, and while I wish it was included in CP admission, I do thoroughly enjoy it whenever I'm there. They really don't need to add anything to Soak City, it works as is. I also realize that it is not hurting. A waterpark can almost never hurt: only help. Especially in the hot summer months (or "peak" months.) The reason that I said what you quoted was because, to me, a water park on the lake isn't extemely appealing. Its like the pool I have at home: in the summer, its the best thing in the world. But once you move into September and October, and the warm starts to leave us (while CP is still open in fact, don't forget May too), a water park seems like a bad idea. I just think that, if they moved it to Castaway Bay (which they can't and won't, and for many good reasons), it would be a better business move. But heck, what do I know?

Final arguement: How many other outdoor water parks are on the lake? Just checkin. ;)

I'd like to see something like Space Mountain or Rockin Roller Coaster (or what DT was SUPPOSED to be), something that is a thrilling, yet fairly tame coaster that has a real theme to it. although Id be happy with Intimidator 305 where Mean Streak is!

Cheap food/drinks and free parking?! oh wait....

What do you think the new storage area they are building by STR is for? All the crap they store in DT of course, so they can remove that to go along with the removal of DD, BAM, spot for new ride! ;)

^ In your abbreviation what is BAM?

RideWarrior18 said:
Its like the pool I have at home: in the summer, its the best thing in the world. But once you move into September and October, and the warm starts to leave us (while CP is still open in fact, don't forget May too), a water park seems like a bad idea.

The same can be said for the water rides in Cedar Point. Heck, the same can be said for Cedar Point itself. When its summer and nice out, the park is the best thing ever. When November hits, an amusement park seems like a bad idea. See? Your whole idea can be applied to just about every seasonal operating venue in the US:)

^^I think BAM is what we like to call an onomatopoeia. Just an expression for sound. If it were for the coaster company, It'd probably be B&M. Not an abreviation, I don't think.

^Yea, I realized that after I posted. I need to go back to debate class. :) I don't know, I just figured that since CP opens in May and closes at the end of October, the theory wouldn't stick as much. The difference may be as well that we don't see nearly as many water park enthusiasts (although they do exist). That might be part of the reason why CP added the water flow control on STR, so it could run year round. I guess my argument is flawed. Sue me. :)

Well the majority of water parks in the US are seasonal, even those in warm climates such as California and Florida. So yeah, it's just a little flawed;)

^Only slightly. Do I at least get an "A" for effort professor?

However, I think the theory does work in Cali and FL, because many theme parks are open year round there. I think that it is logical to have all water parks be seasonal, as swimming outdoors in Feburary, no matter what climate, just feels odd. My point was just to imply that on the shores of Lake Erie is not the ideal location for a water park, but then again, there is no such thing as an "ideal location."

A nice wooden. And maybe a year round haunted house/"Dark Ride". ;)

The Boardwalk development is the ideal option. So, here's what I think...

Like any classic boardwalk (Coney Island, Santa Cruz) you need a classic wooden roller coaster as it's centerpiece. So, in the spirit of Geauga Lake's Big Dipper, contract GCI to design an out-and-back-ish wooden twister, somewhat like Prowler at Worlds of Fun.

Cedar Fair can buy back the rights to the John Miller classic, recycle a few parts and decorate the queue with a couple of historical items from the original ride. BAM, Cedar Point's Big Dipper is born.

Then, the boardwalk would have it's "classic" woodie. Cedar Point would have a modern woodie. And Geuaga Lake purists, or anyone still upset about the park's demise, would have a their own, um, woodie.

Shawn Meyer said:
^ In your abbreviation what is BAM?

What Ridewarrior said! :)

LOL D port!

1) Pirate ride building turned into a nice Dark Ride. Not Snoopy themed or something like that though. Something the whole family can go on and not be scared, but still be great. The Darkastle one at Busch Gardens is what I'm thinking.

2) Take down DT and build a Intamin prefab or Gravity Group woodie. Start it in the former Demon Drop area and swing it out onto the beach. Have a spaghetti bowl or whatever Holiday World calls it in the DT spot.

3) I don't think its needed, but a Floorless Dive Machine in the space of Mean Streak would be cool. It could face the lake and have a few suprises. Don't make it a typical Dive coaster though. Make it more than 2 inversions and a overbank. Make it longer.

I can't think of any more.

EDIT: Some little things....

Fix/turn on all the mister fans in the lines. It gets real hot on 100 degree days when the fans aren't on. It also looks stupid when the mist is on, but the fan isn't and it just drips.

Also, make the main midway look a little bit nicer. Pavers are a good start, but good lord some of it just looks like concrete desert out there. Add some more trees, shade, and anything to make it look nice. Kings Island's midway looks great. Granted, Cedar Point can't have an E. Tower in the center of the park, but atleast make it look nice.

I'm glad you brought those things up Zach. So I take back what I said. FIRST and foremost, I would like to see a complete change in infrastructure and management and an improvement in the quality of certain aspects of the park.

THEN a nice new wooden coaster. :)

Cedar Point is a very mature amusement park. If anything, from an operations budget perspective, it's almost too big for a facility that is only open 5 1/2 months of the year (get used to mid-to-late May openings -- they're here to stay). This is to say, CP can reasonably expect to draw about 2 1/2 - 3 million a year, maybe a tad higher in a really good season, with its 17 roller coasters and 65-ish rides. Guess how many it drew when it had 14 roller coasters? About 3 million or so. When it had 12? Oh, about 3 million. Adding Maverick gave it very little bump, and StR will do even less.

Expect the rate of addition of rides to slow down. CP no longer needs a new ride -- let alone a new coaster -- every year, and from a P/L standpoint it doesn't make any sense to do so. The rule of thumb will become, or at least should become, every time a ride goes in, some other ride comes out. This isn't about running out of land. It's about an operations budget that has become bloated over the last 2 decades. If CP could charge a proper price for admission, something commensurate with what it has to offer -- say, $75 or northward -- without losing its customer base, it would be different. But them's the facts in NE Ohio.

It's almost irrelevant, really, what the park adds from here on out. Yes, Mean Streak probably will go, or get reborn, a la Texas Giant. Disaster transport has its own issues. Do they need a dark ride? I vote for 2 or 3, at least.

Building the hotels and Soak City was the best thing the park did to maximize return on its investment in the park. Same with Castaway Bay. If were the King of Cedar Point, I would look for other such game changing opportunities. Maybe find a willing partner to manage it, and build an animal-themed park off the peninsula -- with adequate commitment to Disney-efficient transportation between the units. Perhaps an indoor aquarium. Anything to prolong time spent on Cedar Fair property, and keep those discretionary dollars flowing into the corporate coffers.

I guess this doesn't answer the question. What do I want to see @ Cedar Point in the Future? I dunno. More + better theming. Better amenities in the queues: more climate control -- shade, fans, misters. More diversions while waiting to ride too: more D.J.s, for a start, sure. But how about a traveling minstrel band to serenade people footsore and tired from waiting two hours to ride Dragster? Why not throw us a freaking juggler, for god's sake? When the off-key sing-a-longs of a towel-wielding weirdo seem relatively entertaining, you know what the park offers isn't enough. And I think a few small steps in that direction would be very inexpensive, but do much to improve the experience of guests.

Oh, and a Gravity Group twister.