What Would You (Realistically) Like To See @ Cedar Point in the Future

PrawoJazdy said:
The Beast is 4:50 and since this is sort of a wishlist thread, it doesn't matter very much. Can you maybe go a whole day without trying to shoot down everything everyone says on this board?

The Beast also has two slow chain lifts, so that ride time is somewhat misleading in that regard.

So add two lifts or a brief stop to it.

What are the guidelines for ride length and time and where can one read about the maximum amount of time a person can handle on a ride?

I'm not sure if there is such documentation, but I wouldn't be surprised.

But just think logically - most modern coasters go for an intense coaster that hits the ~2 minute mark. Given how I and others I ride with feel after that amount of coaster stimulation, and that it costs a LOT of money to make a coaster even that long, I can't imagine a five minute coaster would be realistic, from either a ride-ability or financial standpoint (unless the coaster were really, really slow).

And look at Maverick - it has a brief stop/slow-down, and it's still only 2.5 minutes (and cost over $20 million).

is no doubt in my mind how great a coaster like that would be, however, you're losing the point of this thread. The realism, or possibility of something like that happening is the same odds of the

Steel Dragon 2000, the current record holder for longest roller coaster in the world, stands at 8,133 ft long. That ride, with one chain lift, lasts 4:00. It measures 7,172.15 ft long, flat measure though Google Earth. Are we still talking about realism here?

I'm not here to bash you, or your ideas, however good they may be. I just don't believe this will ever happen, and its not realistic.

So there is no basis for your argument other than personal feelings. I'm 45 years old and can handle 4 minutes on The Beast just fine which would be much more intense than a smooth steel ride.

Maverick has a boat load of technology that adds to the cost with two sets of LIM's.

Its only a mile from the front of he park to the back add another mile to it and its only 2 miles long. At 80 miles per hour thats over a mile in 1 minute. So realistically at 80mph a ride 3 miles long would be about 3 minutes and thats not bad at all and really, how many people honestly can't handle 3 minutes on a ride.

Your personal experience is not average of other riders and many here have been on re-rides before. By your logic, they wouldn't be able to handle a re-ride on Magnum thats over 10,000 feet of intense riding.

Again, probably 2 of those 4 minutes on The Beast are spent slowly ascending lift hills. So you're really only dealing with a 2 minute ride, from an intensity standpoint.

The coaster you're describing sounds like a much longer and MUCH more expensive MF (a coaster that already pushes the limits of what the human body can endure, by the way).

And what you can handle is irellevant. You're not paying for the ride - the general public is. As such, the ride would need to cater to them to be realistic, wouldn't you think?

RideWarrior18 said:
That ride, with one chain lift, lasts 4:00.

Technically it was two lifts ;)

PrawoJazdy said:
At 80 miles per hour thats over a mile in 1 minute.

But no coaster keeps its speed the entire course. The only way to do that is to have LIMs or some other propulsion system along the course, thus leading to a very high cost.

What you are suggesting has already been done at some parks, they are called monorails.

The Beast minus the lift hills is 2:50 in actual ride time. It takes 1.27 to climb the first lift and 35 seconds to climb the second. Deduct 120 seconds from 4:50 and you end up with almost 3 minutes of ride time. Thats close to the 3 minutes I stated a ride at 80mph would take to traverse 3 miles

The ride I'm talking about was never mentioned to be like Milennium Force because other than length, I never laid out a design. It was just something I would like to see at the park at some point.

If what I can handle is irellevant, what you can't is just the same and if a ride needs a certain threshold it can;t cross over for intensity, then we should rip Dragster and Milennium Force right out.

@99er. It wouldn't take neary the amount of LIM's in Maverick as you're not coming from a dead stop, plus airtime hill's that take you up say 50' maximum would be enough to sustain the momentum. See The Beast, Mean Streak for examples of how the ride remains running and even needs to be slowed down at points.

If it takes 4 minutes, I doubt people wouldn't be able to handle that as was said earlier. Something tells me we would see more problems with those that marathon one ride all day when the lines are less than 3 minutes apart. Athletes wouldn't exist and exhausting activities would require medical attention.

Except that MF and TTD are, by comparison, far shorter in duration (50% and 90% shorter, respectively) than the 5 minute ride you're proposing.

Whether it's your intention or not, the ride you're envisioning (80mph average speed, several miles long, etc.) is essentially the same thing as MF... just twice as long, and presumably at least twice as expensive.

3 miles is not "several" miles long.

^That is your comeback?

Ahem...

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yes yes.. But you're using it to make it sound worse than it is which is what you do on this board, you use anything/everything to make your point the right one. Well, here there is no right or wrong on a hypothetical roller coaster.

Look, I know you have to be right all the time, but I stand by my point that this is feasible and I understand you are disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing with someone. Its the highlight of your day. There is no fact here to back up your claims that the ride would be too intense for some, or that it would cost 20+ million dollars. Until then, I'll keep on wanting to see this work at Cedar Point and you can't change that.

@99er. This is not a contest. I'm beyond comebacks on the internet.

To have a coaster capable of speeds of 80 miles an hour you are looking at a lift hill of 200 feet or more, or some type of launching system. If you look at the coasters built in recent years, how many of them were built for less than $20 million? Keep in mind too that you are wanting to build one twice the size for less money than Diamondback, MF, both Intimidators, Maverick, and TTD, just to name a few.

None of the scenarios presented make it so that its not feasible. It's Cedar Point's money and if they decide to invest $10, $20, or even $50 million into it, thats their decision.

Its a very feasible situation.

Now you think they can do it for $10 million?

Did I say "Cedar Point could build the ride for less than $10,000,000?"

Nope. I said it doesn't matter what they want to invest in a ride. Cost does not make a ride any less feasible.

Um, it does when you are working with a budget.

and no one here knows what their budget is. If they decide to move money from one project into another, they can. So the project is still a feasible one that could materialize.

I think Cedar Point needs a GCII that starts in Demon Drop's former plot, and goes to the beach!

Now, if only this thread can get back on track...