What Would You (Realistically) Like To See @ Cedar Point in the Future

PrawoJazdy said:
What I don't understand is the "rider would not be able to stand the ride for 3 minutes." argument.
...if most don't feel tired/sick/hurt from a 2 minute ride on Milennium Force, an extra minute or two isn't going to be any different.

That statement makes absolutely no sense, for the record. Let's look at what you're saying: if MF was different, it wouldn't be any different. Umm, what?

What about the Gemini fundraiser that happened recently. Some failed and got off as early but most made it and consistently rode Gemini over an entire day. If they can do that, then most can ride a roller coaster for over 3 minutes.

You mean the fundraiser that was targeted at coaster enthusiasts (some of whom couldn't endure it)? Coaster enthusiasts are not the general public, and those enthusiasts do NOT pay the bills. Simply ignoring that aspect doesn't make it go away.

There is no real hard data to suggest otherwise.

I'd be surprised if there isn't some study out there that deals with the optimum length for a coaster, given that ride manufacturers and amusement parks like to satisfy as many riders as possible with their investments.

In the last 20 years, coaster design has become a highly-sophisticated art form. In that time, many coasters have been built, and among those, how many are of the length you're suggesting? It doesn't really matter why they're not. That they don't really exist is reason enough to assume such a design is not realistic (see also: thread title).

The funny part is, other than suggesting a ride at 80mph would be able to complete the circuit in such an amount of time, I never said that the ride had to be intense.

Right. It just needs to be 5 minutes in duration, circle the entire peninsula, and have an average speed about the same as MF. I'd love to see how you avoid making that ride far more intense than MF.

Back in the '80s,spending $20,000,000 on a roller coaster was also a ridiculous idea, Cedar Point has built 4 in the last ten years that cost over $20,000,000...

Maverick ($21 million) and Millennium Force ($25 million) turned out to be great investments for CP. But just because one Bentley is nice doesn't mean 5 is better.

CP has only built 3 $20+ million coasters in the last decade, not 4 (WT was under $10 million). And 1/3 of those expenditures were a huge mistake. A 67% grade is barely passing, and certainly won't get you a diploma (well, maybe with a curve, but I digress...).

Furthermore, MF would cost almost $31 million if it were built today. Your 5-minute version of it would cost about double that. I'd love to see the formula used to justify spending $60+ million on a coaster.

It is an idea and some here are taking it in the wrongest way possible or just looking for a reason to argue.

You keep coming back to this, no matter how many times I ignore it and stick to the discussion. Yes, I'm disagreeing with your idea. No, I'm not making fun of you, nor am I making any personal comments toward you. I'm not disagreeing with you because I don't like you. I'm simply disagreeing with you because your idea is illogical. It's not personal, no matter how many times you try and make it seem that way.

Don't like your ideas being scrutinized? Write them in a journal. :)

Surprise surprise.. you're still going on about this. Didn't see that coming.

I don't care about your opinion. I will simply continue to know this can be done and for the reasons I stated earlier. No amount of strawman arguments and OCD nitpicking is going to change my mind/opinion and while it may be a hard concept for you to grasp that someone here doesn't want to read your on going know it all posts, you're just going to have to deal with it.

@Pointofview I remember reading that Space Spiral has some ridiculous foundation. It may mean that its anchored to the foundation and impossible to remove it without destroying the bottom half.

Surprise surprise... rather than having an actual discussion based on facts & reasoning, you're still taking personal jabs at me. Didn't see that coming.

;)

Seems to happen a lot to you Dj.

I wonder why?

Because people like you & Prawo are apparently hyper-sensitive sissies. :)

or...

You're some kind of e-thug, bully. :)

PrawoJazdy said:
I don't care about your opinion. I will simply continue to know this can be done and for the reasons I stated earlier.

I always love the internet equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and chanting LALALALALA. Makes it easier to figure out which side is likely right.

While Prawo's idea is technically possible, it is not feasible as something we will realistically see at CP. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a coaster of that magnitude, but I can't ever see it happening. Keep in mind that the "500 foot, 30 loop, inverted, prefab woodie" that everyone want to see is theoretically possible to build, but it doesn't make it a realistic thing to expect.

But please, let's drop this and get this thread back on track...

I'd rather hear 50 random ideas than spend days arguing about one.

^ Whoa! Hold on there, I never said it had to have 30 loops. ;)

@juggalotus.

I love this. You know what they say about fighting on the internet. Obviously you believe in holding that mantle to the highest standards.

It's too late doctor, no amount of smiley and/or winky faces can save this thread now...

flatline...

djDaemon said:
Because people like you & Prawo are apparently hyper-sensitive sissies. :)

I rest my case. :)

I am just asking (not to be an ass or anything). What is really realistic about this roller coaster what Prawojazdy wants to see at the park? I don't think it is really realistic. Why would they build a ride around the whole entire park? PrawoJazdy, is this a truly realistic idea?

Its absolutely realistic.

LIMs throughout the ride can keep it going or adding elements that generate kinetic energy to keep it going at various points.

Cost is being argued here. Yet in the past, no one would have dreamed of dropping $25 million on a roller coaster and now Cedar Point has built 3 since then. Cedar Fair dropped an additional $25 million on other coasters. However, some people have no concept of real cost and just make it up as they go.

For example, Dj said Millennium Force would cost $31 million to build today. Except Intimidator 305 was just built for a $25 million investment. So I really wouldn't put any faith in a Monday Morning Quarterback trying to tell us how much something would cost.

By the way, Dj, your straw man arguments are the real reason I didn't respond to you. You were fudging so many numbers and making up points, it would be ridiculous to take you seriously.

Now hopefully someone can get another thread that Dj derailed, again, back on track.

Prawo,

We're not saying that it can't be done. In the world of RollerCoaster Tycoon and NoLimits, it is entirely fesible, however you're missing the point. Realism is justifying the cost of building a ride for a business, financial, and common sense perspective. It is wonderful that you have these ideas, and don't let them die, however keep them in the back of your mind.

As for cost, I'm not addressing any specific stats here, and I'm not going to throw numbers at you, but I guarantee you that a coaster like this will be the largest investment in the history of Cedar Point. Your remarks are noted, and well constructed, however I believe that we can all just take a step back and forget about this silly argument. Your objection is noted, however I, as well as many other members, believe that your hypothesis is about as accurate as the "500 foot, 30 loop, inverted, prefab woodie" .

Back on track, what do you all think the other possibilities are for location and/or what kind of ride will be put it? (e.g. Dark Ride, new ride out by Magnum, etc.)

Remember, nothing is set in stone, and we're all here to have fun and respectfully discuss the future of CP (other the Prawo and DJ or course ;))

I think Cedar Point should invest in blimp rides. There's certainly enough hot air in this thread to inflate one.

::insert non-existent eye roll icon::

Now that I'm in my forties and the rush from open to close thing is getting a little difficult, I frankly wouldn't mind it if the park put up some kind of shaded pavilion filled with recliners. I'd pay $5 for a half hour nap on one in the middle of the day -- $10 if it went all the way flat.

I know, I know -- that's why they want you to stay at the resort and pay until your nose bleeds. But since this is becoming a wish thread, why not?

Here is my what I would like to see going in sometime soon.

http://www.thecoastercritic.com/2009/11/arrows-700-foot-tall-fish-h...aster.html

I'm just going to leave this here. Designed, cost approved and then crapped by locals who don't like loud noises.

It furthers my point that bigger and better has been designed and gone through the steps to be done. As long as its kept simple and doesn't get ridiculous, it can be done.

^ That's a nice rendering you made up above, but I doubt they would build the coaster that far into the sand. I'm only saying that because in your drawing the supports are right where the waves come in and being that close, the coaster could sink. Plus with Ohio's winters the supports would freeze.

That's a good point, Shawn.... I'm going to tinker with No Limits some more and make a narrower version.