Were going in a whole new direction idea

Some of those footers are absolutely massive- very similar to TTD's tower.

Whohoo!! Someone who doesn't think I've lost my mind!!

Yes there are some huge slabs......but none are for a support that has 16 holes.:)

I have a question. Does any rollercoaster have an "outside loop" As in going farther than straight down, and looping back up. (Like the loop now, except you would be on the outside)

I know TombRaider does something like it, backwards.

That would be very stressfull tho and would require the train to go very slow. or at a set pace in the loop (magnetic)

Edit:: I made a quicky Paint shop of what I'm trying to say. Sorry I'm not that clear. (It's going in a clockwise direction)

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/2707/loopny6.png *** Edited 7/27/2006 5:11:56 AM UTC by DrunkinMonkey***

No frigg'n way Drunk'n Monkey... extreme discomfort coupled with the liklihood of blacking out from xtreme G's... not too mention all that pressure will be on your shoulders, not your bum = pain

and that's with the absolute minimum velocity to clear the loop...I suppose it'd be possible on a 4d coaster, it could flip you so you lie on your back facing backwards while you're at the bottom of the loop...similair to how a flyer would take it - but then that would be taking a loop like you would be on a suspended coaster...

*** Edited 7/27/2006 1:03:48 PM UTC by Serenity***

I believe one of the Superman: Ultimate Flights does that.

The S:UF at Great Adventure has the most G's I think I've experienced on that loop. You're on your back and the forces are just WICKED intense. Mantis has some high G forces too (or maybe its just the duration), but wow, that curve really does it to ya.

Raptor, Kickin some sky! Only on top, not bottom.
*** Edited 7/27/2006 2:43:09 PM UTC by imadj***

If what you have drawn, as in a typical sit down coaster with no rotaion in the cars (ie X)....then what you have drawn is not possible. Most coasters do not exceed a g-force range of +0.2 thru +4 g's. (there is no coaster that actually has negative g's, just less than 1g). Traveling on the outside of a loop like that, without the speed controlled throughout, would cause you to black out. Say you entered the top of the loop at a slow rate of speed, say 10 mph (4.47 m/s). And the loop has a total drop of say 80ft (24.384 m) (about as small as it could be because of the radi involved) At the bottom of the loop you would be traveling at 49.9 mph (22.3 m/s). Using a clothoid shape with the radius increasing as speed increases, lets us a 55ft (16.76 m) radius for the bottom of the loop, you would experiance a g force of -3.028 from normal, causing a black out. (and painfull shoulders or laps)

Huh?

its simple physics!

Yeah, I understand the physics, but barely because the grammar is downright atrocious.

yes it is....lol

j2k...I'm no math whiz. In your calculations would the train make it all the way back around?

actually...black out on a roller coaster is the lack of blood flow to the head, caused by g-forces forcing the blood to your feet...I believe the extreme forces pushing your blood to your head in this case would be classified as a red out...

You can recover from a black out in due time, red outs are definitely more dangerous, sometimes resulting in strokes... :(

Don't believe me?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_out

last paragraph, around the middle.
*** Edited 7/27/2006 4:35:00 PM UTC by Baseball_Coaster_Freak***

Though has anyone played RCT 3, and built the inverted mouse roller coaster? You can perform the outside loops, and make them fairly intense and still receive a fairly tame intensity rating. Don't know if it's still possible but apparently Atari thinks so...but after all it is a video game, and the laws of physics can be broken within the realms of imagination.
*** Edited 7/27/2006 4:33:31 PM UTC by Baseball_Coaster_Freak***

That's why I pu thte "magnetic" thing in there. Slows the train down, so it travels the same speed through the loop.

yea...that seems possible, though i can't see how fun that would be if it was controlled, as far as roller coasters to go. I like them to feel a little out of control personally.

Chief Wahoo said:
j2k...I'm no math whiz. In your calculations would the train make it all the way back around?

Probably not if you include losses due to wheel friction and wind resistance. You would have to increase the speed entering the element, which of course would amplify the g-forces.

j2k95sunfire,

I'm kinda scared because I understood everything you just said.

Edit: and yes it is simple physics. (I understand it and I havn't taken Basic Physics yet) *** Edited 7/27/2006 6:50:11 PM UTC by DrunkinMonkey***