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Hummm... my post is gone, but I hope you looked.

Infact, I do know what .NET is about. I am in contact with Microsoft and have beta tested for them (they also send me free stuff, so it is amazing that I can be anti-M$). I also talk to a lot of people who know what .NET is about. And basicly M$ wants to keep your data with them. And you can type you PASSPORT into any website and get the data from their servers.

http://www.pcmag.com/article/0,2997,a=16703,00.asp

Basicly, .NET is all building up to HAILSTORM (codename), .NET puts everything they need into place.

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Rider
RIDE IT OUT!
*** This post was edited by Rider 4/24/2002 8:42:51 PM ***

Wrong, wrong, wrong. You don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about, and said article doesn't either. Hailstorm has pretty much been cancelled until they have a business plan. Furthermore, using the .Net platform doesn't require you to use Web services at all, let alone Passport.

Again, have you noticed you're using a .Net forum and Microsoft doesn't know a thing about it?

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP, Sillynonsense.com
"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

Rider, As much Science Fiction as "Big Brother" is watching you is.... It's not true. I had a subscription to PC Magazine a while ago and thought they reported bad. So I cancelled it.

I developed my dislike for MS just from my experiences not from what I read, That is my opinion. But there are plenty of things MS makes that I think is good. .NET right now looks to be one of those.

Anyways, to be on topic again. JEFF!!!! I like the minor Change in look. I don't know what other people think but just the addition of the line borders makes the site so much easier to read for me!
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*** This post was edited by Flisk 4/24/2002 10:21:11 PM ***

But how do you know....?

I wish M$ would focus more on products then on services. Think if they didn't spend time on MSN, .NET, etc. and just worked on Windows and Word and Office, and etc. how much better these things would be.

Anyway... I stand behind me (try picturing that) in my statements that phpBB and VB are better, and that Linux servers offer more then windows. And that .NET will fail or come to nothing or rule the world.

But lets move on, I dont really want to start a flame war.

How about page counts to click on in the thread listing?
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Rider
RIDE IT OUT!
*** This post was edited by Rider 4/24/2002 10:21:20 PM ***

Too late. Again... quantify your opinion. Because you don't like MS doesn't make it true. More than a million copies of Visual Studio.Net have shipped. If that's a failure, it's the kind of failure that every software developer wants to have.

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP, Sillynonsense.com
"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

One thing I have noticed Jeff.

When using Netscape. I get almost NO pop-up ads. When I come over with IE 6 I get at least 2.

Is this because of something in Netscape and the way the software is coded that Netscape doesn't handle it well and just dumps it?

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June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
VertiGo Rides - 82 Farewell my good friend..

No, it's the way that Burst or third parties targets their browsers with the underlying code.

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP, Sillynonsense.com
"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

Jeff,

I'm sorry if I didn't fully explain what I meant. Now I see there are borders around each post's heading, but they're thinner than they were before. Also, there used to be more of a separation between the left border of the post heading (the orange box) and and the member's name, now it seems there's very little separation. What's what I was referring to as being more simplistic and less streamiled...the previous 'look and feel' was more refined, and I know you're not even close to being done yet, it was something I wanted to comment on. I remember you saying that we wouldn't notice a difference between the old and the new, but for right now, there is a difference. I'm not complaining, or suggesting it should look like the old one, I originally thought maybe my browswer was doing something weird and wanted to see if the change in look was intentional or an error with my browser. Anyways, the speed is incredible and keep up the good work Jeff, and everyone for their advice.

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--Seth

Look.... I dont want to get into a fight about M$. Thats not why I come here. I simply stated that other BB were better (and this is not just my opinion now, as you saw from the post you deleted).

.NET started as part of HAILSTORM to control everyone's data. HAILSTORM is no longer big at Microsoft. Not to say it wont return. Not to say it will.

.NET is a competitor to ASP and PHP. It will stay at that.

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Rider
RIDE IT OUT!

QUOTE FROM Rider "

Boy, you people are all windows freaks. www.webhostingtalk.com - the greatest assembly of
people talking about these things. Try and get them to say Windows is better....

Anyway, I'm running phpBB 2.0 RC-3 (not even 4 because I am too lazy). Its just as fast, has
a better UI, better posting, better user options/controls/etc., and this is the free product.

Never used VB (on my own sites), but the ones I do go to (and which are much more busy)
run faster.

POP is overpriced (but you get it for free anyways), lacks any good options, looks: IMHO
ugly, its too complex for users, and .NET?!!?

.NET is just another attempt for M$ to control you. I wouldn't be suprised if its gone in a few
years too. Sure it COULD be the future... but how many people want to trust M$ with all their
bank records, personal information, contacts, basicly their whole life to some servers in
Redmond? Because thats what M$ wants out of .NET. For everyone who is on-line to get a
Hotmail/MSN/Passport account and put everything in their control.

PHP has already done wonders for the WWW. It works on all systems and can do anything."

OK, first off, I don't think we need to be getting off on a tangent, this is a CP website, not a web dev. forum. Anyways, From my experience in working w/ both Win 2k, and Linux?Unix, I can tell you that Windows, is first off, much easier to work with, much easier to admin, set-up, wrote code for, and just generally faster, and has more capibilities, now I realize that PHP & Linux have a bigger following, but I'll tell you right now, With .net coming out, and Microsoft making the leaps & bounds they are. PHP will be no longer, (or very small) in the not so distant futur
*** This post was edited by oUluvDT2 4/25/2002 7:22:13 AM ***

Just out of curiosity, I wonder how many of you who are against .NET are engineers.

Anyway, Jeff, I tried IE 5.0 again this morning (look in the testing/problems thread), and like yesterday, the thread/topic pages don't load completely, although I can see new posts. Once again, I expect it to be a slow day at work and can help test IE 5.0 if you wish.

I must say, using my netscape 4.76 (campus standard) works very well, except for not wanting to save my login.

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I'd rather die living than live like I'm dea

Well, I'm not for or against the use of any particular underlying technology; I just want accessibility. Right now the (1234) navigation is a bit of a show-stopper if I'm at home.

Getting back to more-noticeable limitations, though...there doesn't seem to be any way to jump to an arbitrary page within a multi-page thread from the topic list. I kind of miss that one.

(better still: make those controls pass a URL instead of a command; that would be a workaround to my Lynx navigation problem...)

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

I noticed RGR, and Flisk used the quote feature on page 4 (most likely this page unless this post makes page 5) Who has the quote feature and who doesn't? I have not seen it with IE 5.0 or 5.5. So is the quote feature there or not now? And sorry I can't help now with the IE 5.0 problem because my computer at home has a nice virus (that' my guess) that seemed to cause some serious registry problems.

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This second hill is my favorite part of the ride. It is so Cool!
Gemini 100
"Hello, I've seemed to glue myself to myself" AP2
Raptor Flights: 504

.NET started as part of HAILSTORM to control everyone's data. .NET is a competitor to ASP and PHP.

Wrong again. The .Net framework is a set of base classes used by various .Net languages to build software (that happens to include Web services). This includes Windows apps, Web apps, Web services, assemblies (similar to COM objects in the old days), etc. It's the natural evolution of VC++, VB and ASP all rolled into one platform using the same underlying technology.

When you've gone beyond marketing nonsense and magazine articles and have actually tried to build something with the platform, get back to me.

...there doesn't seem to be any way to jump to an arbitrary page within a multi-page thread from the topic list.

As I said... not everything is there yet, and that's certainly on the list.

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP, Sillynonsense.com
"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

The quote feature is there, you just have to cut and paste, then highlight the text and click "quote" above the text box (when using the rich text). That's all I did in the previous post.

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP, Sillynonsense.com
"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

I see, thanks

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This second hill is my favorite part of the ride. It is so Cool!
Gemini 100
"Hello, I've seemed to glue myself to myself" AP2
Raptor Flights: 504

If I may quote myself...

...or if you're using the plain text box and don't have the "Quote" button, there is nothing stopping you from adding the [quote][i] and [/i][/quote] tags manually. :)

See, I find it useful at times to know the 'hard way' to do things... :)

--Dave Althoff, Jr.