v6.0 Now testing
I dont like it. Why can't you use vbulliten or even phpbb?
Anways.... when I go to General or Wicked Twister or whatever, I can never hit the back button to go back to the Main page of the forum. It wont let me. IE 6.0.
O... and how about page counts on the thread listing like before?
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Rider
RIDE IT OUT!
*** This post was edited by Rider 4/24/2002 2:49:40 PM ***
Great point. And while you're switching, Jeff, can you tell me where I can find a used Pinto, preferably with lots of rust and maybe a bad engine? I have a really nice Cadillac I want to get rid of.
Why can't you use vbulliten or even phpbb?
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Virtual Midway
http://www.virtualmidway.com
*** This post was edited by Gemini 4/24/2002 2:53:14 PM ***
Walt,
Does the Pinto have to all the seats and a roof??
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June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
VertiGo Rides - 82 Farewell my good friend..
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Virtual Midway
http://www.virtualmidway.com
Is this the final graphic/aesthetic look, or will it revert back to what what the 'look' was before? It just looks a bit more simplistic and less streamlined that it did before. Then again, you haven't had a ton of time to iron the aesthetic kinks out, so I was just wondering.
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I dont like it. Why can't you use vbulliten or even phpbb?
First off, the forum isn't even remotely close to being done. I'm only testing an early build here. If you were playing along you'd already know that and understand that not everything is in place yet.
Second, why would I want to use a bloated, slow forum based on an interpreted language?
Seth: How can something be more simplistic and less streamlined? I don't follow. The only thing different about the "look," aside from hiding stuff that you wouldn't use unless you're logged in or a moderator, is that the paging links are at the top and bottom of each page. Other than that, it's a virtually identical layout.
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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP, Sillynonsense.com
"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"
Rider, phpBB works better on Linux servers as opposed to Windows servers. I think these POP forums are great for Windows servers. Also phpBB 2 is a piece of crap when I "upgraded" my forums it destroyed everything that was thre and that I had set.
If I can get or build a web server and if I choose Windows over Linux, Jeff I'll gladly use POP forums for all my websites.
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- Chris -
http://www.thepointol.com/~simplycp
The topic list had borders before; it doesn't now. And the YES and NO font is different. Minor differences to be sure, but differences none the less.
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
Boy, you people are all windows freaks. www.webhostingtalk.com - the greatest assembly of people talking about these things. Try and get them to say Windows is better....
Anyway, I'm running phpBB 2.0 RC-3 (not even 4 because I am too lazy). Its just as fast, has a better UI, better posting, better user options/controls/etc., and this is the free product.
Never used VB (on my own sites), but the ones I do go to (and which are much more busy) run faster.
POP is overpriced (but you get it for free anyways), lacks any good options, looks: IMHO ugly, its too complex for users, and .NET?!!?
.NET is just another attempt for M$ to control you. I wouldn't be suprised if its gone in a few years too. Sure it COULD be the future... but how many people want to trust M$ with all their bank records, personal information, contacts, basicly their whole life to some servers in Redmond? Because thats what M$ wants out of .NET. For everyone who is on-line to get a Hotmail/MSN/Passport account and put everything in their control.
PHP has already done wonders for the WWW. It works on all systems and can do anything.
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Rider
RIDE IT OUT!
*** This post was edited by Rider 4/24/2002 4:28:26 PM ***
Ditto on RGR's request. had the same thing half typed then had to ditch the session.
Looking nice though.
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http://www.thepointol.com/~simplycp
I see you had to change the address for this will you change it back to www.guidetothepoint.com/thepoint/cpplace/topics.asp?FORUMID=1 or will it stay http://www.guidetothepoint.com/thepoint/cpplace6/default.aspx?mode=thread&TopicID=7463 ?
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Wicked Twister Rocks
Get To The Po!nt My Website
Evan H.
Webmaster
GetToThePo!nt
One further suggestion - a more prominent "next page" link next to the page numbers on the top & bottom. It's not that easy clicking on the little page numbers & remembering which is the current page.
-- Harley
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CP fan since 68.
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Michael McCormack CP '01: 38
Millennium Force: 49
Raptor: 58
Magnum: 124
Lifetime CP Count: 410 (374 total laps in '01)
I have a problem...I'm using Netscape 6.0 (yes it is the devil) but I'm forced to use it. When I tried to log in or send a message, it never fully loads the next page. I reply and it just keeps loading, and when I hit back, it appears to be the same page (not updated) but with the text I wrote in the text box. Then if I go back to the General area and click back into the thread, my post is there...do you know what could be the problem?
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IU shocks the world! NCAA finalists
*** This post was edited by CP_bound 4/24/2002 5:48:06 PM ***
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June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
VertiGo Rides - 82 Farewell my good friend..
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
Who can't see why there is any advantage to using Javascript to perform a fairly standard form action...
Rider: When you can qualify your opinions with facts, get back to me. You don't have a clue as to what .Net is really about. You're using a .Net forum here and, remarkable as it may seem, Microsoft doesn't know anything about you or the fact that you're using it. Don't buy into the anti-MS hype if you don't even understand the technology.
Dave: The advantages are enormous... really enormous. At risk of getting academic, here's why. The Web was designed to be stateless in that you make a request, and you get something back. Graphics and interactivity wasn't an issue early on, as I'm sure you know, until form elements were added to HTML. While that helped, we were still dealing with a stateless medium where we couldn't do stuff based on the user's interaction with an otherwise static page.
Along comes JavaScript, and now we can do stuff on the page. Most of it is cosmetic, but there are some nice things like form validation that we can do.
However, this arrangement still causes a problem when you want to interact with stuff dynamically in a client-server situation. While you can post something to the server, the server has long since forgot what your last request was, and it has no idea what the state of various form elements are in the page.
Fast forward to ASP.NET which solves a number of problems. First, we can program against actions you perform on the browser. It could be a button click, a change in a drop-down menu, click on a hyperlink... whatever. These are broadly called controls. Regardless, it triggers JavaScript that copys the name of the control and its value (if it has one) to two hidden form fields, then submits the page back to itself (they call this postback).
In addition to this, there's a hidden field called viewstate (look at the source of this page... it's there) that contains the state of all controls on the page. So now, the server knows everything about what you did on the page. It knows what control you've interacted with, what its value is and what the state or value of every control on the page is.
The controls need not even be sent to you in the first place. For example, there's an invisible text field on the page that holds the time of the last post on the page so it knows where to go for next newest and oldest. It's part of the viewstate.
Here's a better example of this concept. In the admin area for the forums, there's a table that lists all of the forums and their properties (live or not, category it belongs to, private, etc.). Each row in the table has an edit link. When you click that edit link, every field is suddenly editable following a postback. It required one line of code to do it, but it wouldn't have known how to prepare the returned page if it weren't for all of this information.
None of this is particularly foreign to people who have developed apps in Visual C++ or VB, because they've always been able to program against controls and events. For us to do it on the Web now is something of a quantum leap.
And regarding "standards," who says it isn't standard? It works in current versions of IE, Netscape and Opera, which accounts for 99% of the audience. Should we hold back the experience of the vast majority for the 1%? Should we not use it until someone from W3C or ECMA puts their name on it? As I've said before, commercial software isn't written for 486 machines anymore, why should Web sites be coded for software the same age?
By the way, the navigation has nothing to do with the URL, but rather which control to nest inside another (because presentation is totally seperate from logic, giving the owner complete freedom to design the page or alter the layout of the forum iteslf without breaking anything... a far cry from anything in script like ASP, PHP, etc.).
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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP, Sillynonsense.com
"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"
Do we REALLY want to wait THAT long Jeff??? ;)
Should we not use it until someone from W3C or ECMA puts their name on it?
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June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
VertiGo Rides - 82 Farewell my good friend..
First, we can program against actions you perform on the browser.... None of this is particularly foreign to people who have developed apps in Visual C++ or VB....
It's nice to know I can finally use this stuff on the web. I haven't really payed much attention to .NET. I guess I'll have to trade in my Visual Studio apps for the .NET platform.
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- Chris -
http://www.thepointol.com/~simplycp
*** This post was edited by Flisk 4/24/2002 8:24:16 PM ***
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