TTD RECORD OFFICALLY TO BE BROKEN!!!!!

Well I just thought of this and I guess I will start a rumor.

Magnum is 205

Millie is 310

Dragster is 420

Cedar Point's next record breaking coaster 530?

*** Edited 9/30/2004 1:04:10 AM UTC by John Carle*** *** Edited 9/30/2004 1:05:10 AM UTC by John Carle***

Well 8 mphs more and 36 feet higher i don't think that the train wil be making it over a whole lot. So when the coaster doesn't work for an entire year we can just sit back and laugh at SF for trying to beat CP.

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Chris Paruch said:
If you look at the six flags website which is here

http://www.sixflags.com/parks/greatadventure

you'll notice on the animation that there are OSR on the ride. Thoes serve two purposes. 1)The air time over the last hill is extremely prolonged 2) It's Intamins way of making restraints for larger people.

Also, the official stats for TTD are 420ft, and 200 km/h in under 4 seconds. 200km/h is converted to approx. 124mph. So if dragster is shorter by 36 feet and can only barely make it over, how is the new ride going to make it with only 4mph extra

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People.... 128 is the minimum that this thing needs to get to to make it over the TH, it WILL go faster, Especially on rainy days, probably in the range of 130-132. This thing will probably be launching from 10-15' in the air, it has a 119' drop, so, it beats TTD there as well.

I hear rumors all the time that for that guys retirement you are getting a flyer (tallest, fastest?) So don't get your hopes up for 500'... I really don't see how they are going to get over 500' in the park wasn't that why they needed a launch for 420'? And I don't think they would put two large launched coasters in the same park? *** Edited 9/30/2004 1:32:21 AM UTC by SFcoasterguy***

TTD to my understanding never used anywhere close to 10,000 horsepower. It uses about the same horsepower Xcelerator uses to launch. This just shows that they didn't want to overpower the system at all.

What rumor's are there of the tallest flyer for Dick's big hooray? I've heard many rumors of flyer's, but not for 07. I don't believe in rumors anyway.

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daniel smith said:
Isn't the Top Thrill Dragster record in the GBOW 124 mph.

No, it's 120 mph.

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I'm pretty sure daniel's right. I remember a thread on how Dragster went 124 mph when Guiness came to clock their speed. I guess I could see it making over at such speeds, but it doesn't seem right.

-Eagle

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SFcoasterguy said:

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Chris Paruch said:
If you look at the six flags website which is here

http://www.sixflags.com/parks/greatadventure

you'll notice on the animation that there are OSR on the ride. Thoes serve two purposes. 1)The air time over the last hill is extremely prolonged 2) It's Intamins way of making restraints for larger people.

Also, the official stats for TTD are 420ft, and 200 km/h in under 4 seconds. 200km/h is converted to approx. 124mph. So if dragster is shorter by 36 feet and can only barely make it over, how is the new ride going to make it with only 4mph extra

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People.... 128 is the minimum that this thing needs to get to to make it over the TH, it WILL go faster, Especially on rainy days, probably in the range of 130-132. This thing will probably be launching from 10-15' in the air, it has a 119' drop, so, it beats TTD there as well.

I hear rumors all the time that for that guys retirement you are getting a flyer (tallest, fastest?) So don't get your hopes up for 500'... I really don't see how they are going to get over 500' in the park wasn't that why they needed a launch for 420'? And I don't think they would put two large launched coasters in the same park? *** Edited 9/30/2004 1:32:21 AM UTC by SFcoasterguy***

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Perhaps a new lift system will be created for a new 500 foot coaster at CP. Maybe something with an elavator thing. Like that one scooby doo ride at PKI. I can see CP snaking I giant coaster through the entire park.

hummm, SFCoasterGuy, why dont you go back to your SF Posts, why are you @ the forums of a Cedar Fair Park with the name of SFCoasterGuy, & didnt you just sign up @ Pointbuzz, when you knew Six Flags was going to clone Top Thrill Dragster, & signed up When Six Flags came up on top? "Kingda Ka" wow its "beats TTD" 36 feet is nothing, leave it to six flags to do everything half, asked When Cedar Fair breakes a record, it is truley Historical, beating out there previous rides by over 100 feet each time.

Sorry to come off rude, but what are you trying to prove

And John Carle
I was thinking...

Magnum XL-200: 205 feet add 100 plus the last 2 digits = 205+105=310

Millennium Force: 310 feet add 100 plus the last 2 digits= 310+110= 420

Top Thrill Dragster: 420 feet add 100 plus the last 2 digits= 420+120= 540

CF's 2006/2007 record breaker: 540 feet.....ect

Just a simple pattern probably dosent mean anything, but i thought i would just point that out... *** Edited 9/30/2004 3:10:22 AM UTC by Joe@cp04*** *** Edited 9/30/2004 3:13:50 AM UTC by Joe@cp04*** *** Edited 9/30/2004 7:23:52 PM UTC by Joe@cp04***

but clone or not it is the worlds tallest fastest coaster, & like it or not, you have to respect it...

This might sound obnoxiously obvious, but...

... did any of you guys trying to discredit this ride by saying it's definitely going to have problems even CONSIDER that Intamin has learned from its mistakes?

And please, can we put our CP fandom aside for a moment and not say stupid things like "Well 8 mphs more and 36 feet higher i don't think that the train wil be making it over a whole lot. So when the coaster doesn't work for an entire year we can just sit back and laugh at SF for trying to beat CP."

I mean come on, let's use common sense here. And yes, the record was broken only by a few feet and MPH, but whatever, IT IS STILL BROKEN. Who cares if SF didn't smash it like Cedar Fair did? It's funny, there's this tone of desperation in lots of these posts doing everything possible to try to discredit without any common sense.

Seriously, I love CP and all, but some of you guys have to cut the zealotry.

CP no longer has the record. Get over it. It doesn't make TTD a worse ride, it just means more people are going to be experience the same type of thing.

I think it's cool that the envelope continues to be pushed, even if it's not by CP..

Top Thrill Dragster is still the tallest and fastest roller coaster until Guiness comes to measure KK's height and clock it's speed.

This does not bother me. I have a feeling they will be shamed, soon.

Alright, then let me re-phrase and say that it's going to be broken.

cedarpointlover: Yes, absolutely, but in the meantime the hardcore fans don't have to act like idiots saying non-sensical things to discredit a new ride which we should be HAPPY is setting the bar up higher. Logically, it reads stupidly. If this ride was announced in Knott's Berry or something, we'd see none of this "IT WON'T CLEAR THE HILL" and "IT'LL HAVE OBNOXIOUS DOWNTIME," we'd see "Cedar Fair ups the ante again" or "there's no way CF would put that in if most of the bugs were worked out!" Please kids, don't be sore losers. I have zero doubt that CP will take back the record at some point. We'll have to see about maintenance issues, but I highly doubt that Intamin has learned NOTHING from Dragster.

I'm actually a bit curious, I wonder if Six Flags let Cedar Fair build the first 400+ rocket coaster to act as the guinea pig for their version to let Intamin work out the bugs? Anyone know how long KK had been in the works?

Did anybody notice that well over half the launch is surrounded by trees. I don't know about you but the excitment level around TTD was created by how the ride interacts with the guest. The reving of the engine, the smoke, the look of the trains, (or should I say the reving of the engine, since we know what happened to the others) but the guest at CP love how TTD is so close to the midway and can feel the wind of the train whooshing by. Walking by the tower you can even feel the vibration in the ground. Kingda Ka won't be having that kind of feeling.

If you look at the entire simulation, it is not an accurate depiction of the park. No other rides are there, none of the midways are there, it was just for demonstration purposes. I also didn't see any brakes at the end, that doesn't mean that they're not putting brakes on it.
I do like the switch track idea, its a cool way to have dual load without the extra long station, at least until the track gets stuck and shuts the ride down.

"Walking by the tower you can even feel the vibration in the ground. Kingda Ka won't be having that kind of feeling."

Are you serious? How do you know that, by watching the simulation video?

And how do you know there won't be any theming on it? You read the whole part about it being in a themed area, right? The world's tallest/fastest coaster is going to be the centerpiece of that area, right? Do you REALLY THINK there's going to be no themeing? Come on, the simulation video is there to give people a feel for the ride, it's not an end-all representation of the finished product.

Agreed JuggaLotus, the switch track looks pretty cool.

Some of you are so weird and can't have a mentality over the age of 9 based on the posts that I'm seeing. How stupid and immature. Some seem almost insulted that another park is going to build a ride bigger and faster than TTD.

Did you act the same way when Maggie, Raptor, Mantis, MF, MS, Gemin and Corkscrew's records were broken?

Get over it! *** Edited 9/30/2004 12:25:31 PM UTC by delphi94***

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SFcoasterguy said:

People.... 128 is the minimum that this thing needs to get to to make it over the TH, it WILL go faster, Especially on rainy days, probably in the range of 130-132. This thing will probably be launching from 10-15' in the air, it has a 119' drop, so, it beats TTD there as well.

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119 foot drop?

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Millennium Force: 320 feet add 100 plus the last 2 digits= 310+110= 420

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Joe, Millie isn't 320 feet tall.

And to Delphi94, We are all acting like we are 9? "Get over it" as you said.

I personally didn't feel this way when their other records were broken. SF claimes to have "smashed" and "ate" all records. This is just comical to me! "Smashing" would have consisted of beating the height record like TTD did at 100+ feet. Not 36 feet and 8 mph.

ANON: Cedar Fair would never beat out the Height record at any of their parks other than CP. That being said, if it were to happen, I would still find it comical if they made such a big deal over nothing. Besides, CF doesn't clone rides, that's SF's job.

And to Delphi94, We are all acting like we are 9?

Note: He said "SOME of you," not "ALL of you," which makes a large difference. And yes, some people on here are saying some rather ridiculous things that would most definitely not be said if this coaster was in a CF park. He's right, the coaster's in Six Flags, it's taller and faster, CP won't have the record anymore, get over it. Chances are it'll be more reliable than Dragster because of all they learned from it, here they have a chance to start from SCRATCH.

SF claimes to have "smashed" and "ate" all records. This is just comical to me! "Smashing" would have consisted of beating the height record like TTD did at 100+ feet. Not 36 feet and 8 mph.

I think we all agree there, but that's how PR goes and have always gone. This should come as no surprise. Did you expect them to say "Only 36 ft and 8mph better than Dragster, but still higher and faster!"? Maybe "Slightly breaks all other records!"? Obviously they're exaggerating some things, but it is still no reason for folks to be spouting out some of the unreasonable things that are being said here. Again, stress on SOME, not ALL. The ride will never clear the hill? The ride will never be running? Intamin has learned nothing from their large-scale prototype launch coaster? There will be no themeing? Somehow Dragster's speed is as high as this one? The hill at the bottom is pointless?

I mean, come on. It's a good thing that the envelope is being pushed EVEN IF IT'S NOT BY CEDAR FAIR.

ANON: Cedar Fair would never beat out the Height record at any of their parks other than CP.

Right, that was just a hypothetical situation to set up my point, but at any rate you can't know that to be a firm fact.

Regarding the cloning of rides, it's not enitrely fair to compare Cedar Fair to a goliath like SF which has a whole lot more coasters as a whole than CF does.

I want to stress I don't like SF parks, but if you're going to try to beat on them, have some good reasoning. *** Edited 9/30/2004 3:45:08 PM UTC by Anon***

Physix said:
Kudos Six Flags! Awesome originality! I mean, thats so awesome! Where in the world would you get an idea to make a coaster that launches, goes vertical, crosses a tophat, and goes into a spiral!

Ah, and you had the same problem regarding originality when Cedar Point brought in Wicked Twister, which was totally original from any SF ride, right?

Come on...

How did I guess that this thread would turn into pointless bickering? I must be a super genius!

Friendly warning #2.