Stupid Things?

Adam, I appreciate what you're saying and what you're trying to do, but really you ought to leave it to the proper park employees to regulate the lines. And yes, that means that if there's no one there, then just go straight into the station. I realize this might make it more chaotic, but it's up to us, not you, to deal with that. People can and do get angry at situations like this, and breaking up a fight is not a pleasant thing for anyone. I understand that your knowledge as an enthusiast means you can see things a bit differently (such as the fact that you're not actually increasing anyone's wait time) than other "GP" guests, but in the end it really doesn't give you the right or the authority to hold things up.

I'd keep doing it Adam, it's not as if there's someone there to tell you to stop. If there was then you wouldn't have to hold the line up in the first place.

:)

You're saying that in case of an emergency they would fight the crowds in the que line instead of using the exit?

I was wondering the same thing, Krafty...I was just going to let that one go though. :)

Of course, it all ends up being a moot point anyway. As soon as the chaotic platform conscientious objector relents and enters, the station will fill right back up to its maximum chaotic capacity again. Amusement park patrons are a liquid: they flow wherever they're not obstructed.

Human diffusion:).....
HoosierTTD, I’m aware of the point you’re making but what I’m getting at is when the crowds are crazy, and the station is out of control.....I mean literally out of control, where is the op to control the flow? I can understand the need to go and do something or if they’re called to somewhere for a short time but why couldn’t they just say "Sir I have to leave the line for a moment, could you please wait for the _______train to enter the station before coming in?" I know that’s unlikely to be said but it wouldn’t hurt to at least save the person some time by saying that.
Every time I'm in the station there always seems to be someone at the turnstile. It’s not common that the op has NOT been at the turnstiles but whenever he isn’t the station goes to heck. I’m not trying to make myself as a substitute or assert myself as some kind of authority by doing this, I’m just trying to make things easier for everyone, and yes I do notice a difference when I do it. Now that I remember, I was thanked one time. BUT, as I've said before, I've only done it about 3 times.
And I really don’t see anything wrong with it and it isn’t in any rules that say I can’t do it. They only people that are going to get mad are the few people that are behind me. Everyone else in line may just think it's a holdup in the station (thought it is). At one point they’re going to stop, it's inevitable. It's not like I’m holding them up for an hour. I only wait for 2 or 3 trains to exit, just enough to make finding what line to get in, and assure that I’m getting in the correct line, easier. In all it only turns out to be a few minutes of holdup.

I respect your opinion as a ride op HoosierTTD, but I can hold the line up at the turnstiles if I want. I’m not breaking any rules (unless I’m missing something). And until I’m told otherwise, I will hold the line up for a few measly minutes as the station clears out a little bit making it easier for everyone.....at least that is until the station is once again slipped to the seventh circle of heck. I just hope I don’t have to do it that many times this year. Let’s just see how many times I have to do it in my 18 trips.

*** Edited 3/4/2007 7:37:34 PM UTC by TTD 120mph***

I actually have a story about a stupid employee. So I go to one of the food stands and I ask for some water and she replies "What's that?" It was hilarious!

You blocking an entrance which might need to be used in an emergency and you don't see a problem with that?

Personally, I think Adam has enough sense to move in an emergency. :P *** Edited 3/4/2007 10:51:21 PM UTC by CP Tay Tay***

TTD 120mph said:

.....but I can hold the line up at the turnstiles if I want.

*** Edited 3/4/2007 7:37:34 PM UTC by TTD 120mph***

Just because you think you know what you are doing, still doesnt give you the right or authority to hold up our lines and inconvenience our guests. So until you are employeed by Cedar Point please just stick to riding the rides and not trying to police the station. Thats the employee's job. And when you have 69 rides to staff, sometimes we get understaffed so there are reasons as to why employees might not be covering a crowd position.
*** Edited 3/5/2007 2:17:53 AM UTC by wickeddragster88***

But the line is going to stop anyway. And it won't inconvenience anyone (it might upset the few people behind you unless I'm behind you, then I'll be grateful) because it won't change the amount of time it will take to get on the ride.

Here is the deal. Either way your probably going to have people complain.

1. if you don't hold up the line then people may not know for what line they are in. therefore they get angry when other people claim to be in front of them. Thus adding to their time in line before getting on.

2. you do hold up the line. Thus people complain right away although you are automatically getting rid of the reason for why they would get angry in scenario one. But in this one most of the people in line arn't going to know whats going on, the only people who do would be those directly behind you and depending on the station that could be a fairly small amount.

I prefer #2

I have done this many times. at six flags great america, their are TERRIBLE at crowd control. i only do it for a couple cycles or at least enough to see where i'm going. i really don't see too big of a problem with it.

Is it me, or do these ops sound like union employees?

Good Lord, I hope not Jugga. Becareful, though. Some in higher standings here are pro union.

MrScott
*** Edited 3/5/2007 2:11:52 AM UTC by MrScott***

Oh great. Let the union arguments start now. ;)

We've been down that road before. All we'll get is people who will base strong opinions on loose and anecdotal evidence, or shortsighted personal experiences. No thanks. Political debates don't turn out well here. :)

Let's stick to the topic at hand.

CPboy77 said:
I actually have a story about a stupid employee. So I go to one of the food stands and I ask for some water and she replies "What's that?" It was hilarious!

By any chance was there a word on her badge like, "China" or "Poland" or "Czech"? If English wasn't her first language, her reaction becomes less hilarious and more, well, unsurprising. It seems to me a high percentage of the employees in the food stands are extranationals.

Or perhaps it was more of a “Come again?" kind of response....

laughingman6 and tcgolfer seem to understand what I’m getting at. No matter what I do there are going to be people complaining. I prefer and will always prefer the option that makes finding a line in the station much easier. Magnum and Dragster are my exceptions because they can only be policed by ops.

Just because you think you know what you are doing, still doesn’t give you the right or authority to hold up our lines and inconvenience our guests. So until you are employeed by Cedar Point please just stick to riding the rides and not trying to police the station. That’s the employee's job.

This is how I see it. If I see that the station is out of control (let me make this clear that I have been referring to Millenniums station this whole time) I have a right to make it easier for myself to ensure I can find a row and hold that row. I too am a guest and I’m being inconvenienced by the station being out of control......doesn’t that matter too? I want to ride.....but I want to ride with minimal inconvenience. An un-orderly station is a big inconvenience. So my options are:
1) Inconvenience myself and everyone else in line by flooding into the station and make finding the right line for a desired row almost impossible. Outcome=I, as a park guest, become angry and everyone in the station gets angry and the line gets held up and moves very, very slowly since the station is overflowing with people.
OR
2) Stop at the turnstiles for a few minutes to let the station clear a bit so I and a few dozen people in line can accurately find a place in a row. Outcome= I, as a guest, am happy to be able to find a row easily and with little difficulty.....as are a few other people. The line gets held up a couple minutes, but only a couple people behind me know I’m the one holding up the line while everyone else assumes it's just a halt in the movement of the line. Some people are actually able to stop and rest from the slow walk created by the overcrowded station. When I enter the station and ride, the line moves a good deal but will eventually go back to a slow crawl since the station will once again be overcrowded until an op comes back.

Holding the line at the entrance to the station is not a big deal, and if you think otherwise, perhaps some priority readjustment may be in order. And to the employees complaining: get over yourselves - you're not paramedics.

^ agreed. and its not like were doing it to be mean to the people behind us either. In fact were doing it to help YOU out.