Maverick

Vince982,

I just do. ;)

MrScott

Fair enough MrScott, fair enough.

I guess someone has been workin on the railroad all the live long day. ;)
*** Edited 2/8/2006 8:15:23 PM UTC by Vince982***

I personally hope that whatever is built on the WWL site is either record-breaking height or is a great woodie of appropriate size.

When I say record-breaking height, I am stipulating that it will be reliable and not a one-trick pony or gimmick like TTD. Something that takes the best of Magnum and MF and amplifies it.

Another floorless, flyer, or mid-sized coaster is not going to do it for me. I live in Florida and have had a season pass to CP every year for 16 years because of rides like Magnum and MF. They are a rush you just can't get anywhere else. I think it would be a mistake for CP to err on the side of caution and put in a ride that is not an experience of truly unique intensity.

While the park does lack a good sit-down looper, I think height, speed, and airtime are a lot more fun than inversions. If they are looking to fill a hole in the lineup, (versus breaking the height record) I think they'd be better served to put in an awesome, long woody (within height limits where woodies remain smooth) than to put in a floorless.

I've been on Kraken and it is a nice ride, but I wouldn't travel across the country to ride it. Heck, I live in Orlando and I haven't been to SeaWorld in 3 years.

I'll probably have many folks disagree with the following statement, but I am not a fan of B&M. Yes, they are reliable, and they did some great things pioneering the wild inversions we began to see in the 90's, and with the inverteds. However, I think they are eyesores. And, the large steel supports and wide track gauge ruin the effect of forced perspective, meaning that B&M rides don't look and feel nearly as tall as they are because of the scale of the structure. To me, that takes away from the experience. And again, my favorite coasters have lots of speed and airtime. I don't think that's B&M's bag. Raging Bull is the worst hyper I've ever been on.

I agree with those who have posted that flyers suck. I've been on both the Vekoma & B&M flyer, and they are both uncomfortable and more of a gimmick than something that will create a sensation for years as did MF and Maggie.

So, my point is, I will be disappointed if CP puts in anything other than either a 500+ foot speed and air machine, or an awesome woody. CP needs good wood alot more that it needs more steel of any type. Something smooth, with great speed, laterals, and airtime like Boulder Dash, yet longer, would be perfect for WWL's spot. It would fill a need, and fit perfectly with the theme of the area.

Guess it might depend on which weighs heavier on Kinzel's mind- his aversion to wood after MS, or his aversion to extreme size after TTD. I would like to think that he may have an aversion to prototypical propulsion systems, and not an aversion to extreme size. He did quite well with Magnum and MF, which both pushed limits to the extreme for their day.

As far as WWL- I remember when it opened and I have a lot of memories of that ride over the years. It will always have sentimental value and I doubt anything built in its place will ever make me go "WWL who". I still miss the dense trees, wooden streetlights, and quiet scenery of the area now occupied by TTD. And, Iron Dragon was a lot of fun at night when it was still densely surrounded by trees before Mantis was built. For that matter, I still miss the long, isolated spookiness of the Frontier Lift at night

Anyway, I hope to see a 500+ steel in the spirit of millie & maggie, or a smooth, world class woody on the WWL site.
*** Edited 2/8/2006 8:23:37 PM UTC by DA20Pilot***

DA20Pilot said:

Another floorless, flyer, or mid-sized coaster is not going to do it for me.

Another floorless or flyer or midsized? Last time I checked we don't have either a floorless or flyer, and the past 3 coasters have all broken records.

I'll probably have many folks disagree with the following statement, but I am not a fan of B&M. Yes, they are reliable, and they did some great things pioneering the wild inversions we began to see in the 90's, and with the inverteds. However, I think they are eyesores. And, the large steel supports and wide track gauge ruin the effect of forced perspective, meaning that B&M rides don't look and feel nearly as tall as they are because of the scale of the structure. To me, that takes away from the experience. And again, my favorite coasters have lots of speed and airtime. I don't think that's B&M's bag. Raging Bull is the worst hyper I've ever been on.

B&M coasters are some of the most classical looking coasters ever. I know that it's your personal opinion, but I think that aside from Intamins, B&M are the best looking ones out there because they illustrate the definition of 'roller coaster'

So, my point is, I will be disappointed if CP puts in anything other than either a 500+ foot speed and air machine, or an awesome woody. CP needs good wood alot more that it needs more steel of any type. Something smooth, with great speed, laterals, and airtime like Boulder Dash, yet longer, would be perfect for WWL's spot. It would fill a need, and fit perfectly with the theme of the area. Anyway, I hope to see a good 500+ steel in the spirit of millie & maggie, or a smooth, world class woody on the WWL site.

Quick, maybe if you e-mail them now they will change all of their plans and designs just to accomodate your wishes ;). (SARCASM, not meant to offend, just a joking nudge)
*** Edited 2/8/2006 8:30:01 PM UTC by Vince982***

Given the location and the name "Maverick" I really am hoping for a world class wooden coaster. Something by GCI or TGG would really get me geeked for opening day 2007. If that's not the case, I'll say it one last time- anything but a flyer! ;)

Vince said:

"Another floorless or flyer or midsized? Last time I checked we don't have either a floorless or flyer, and the past 3 coasters have all broken records."

Vince..

When I said "another", I didn't mean that CP had these, I meant "another" in the context of amusement parks in general. There are enough floorless, flyers, midsized coasters, B&M loopers of various varieties, etc. at parks across the country. My point was, I'd rather see CP make something truly unique in experience and/or intensity, like Magnum was in its day, and like MF. Something you can't go anywhere else to get essentially the same ride. Something that hasn't been done several times before elsewhere. The exception, for me, would be a world-class (not record height!) woody. There are several of these about, but CP badly needs one, I love a great woody, and it would be perfect for the site.

Pardon the language, but why the hell are people still wishing for 500 ft tall coasters?

It makes absolutely no sense to me why Cedar Point would do that. With all the hell TTD gave them, why even bother with something that’s only 100 ft taller? And we don't another launching coaster. Wicked twister has also had its fair share of problems (especially 2005 season).

How about we try and break some other records for a change rather than speed and height every year... okay? I personally want to see a floorless or dive machine with a good amount of inversions. Sure, air time is fun, but Cedar Point has a buttocks load of them that do. Only 3 coasters in the park go inverted, and I think it would be beneficial to the park to add some more on to that area of interest.

Raptor only has 6 inversions. That’s great and all, but just imagines 8, or even 11 or 12. That’s something I would defiantly ride.

I certainly hope Vince is disappointed.

I love B&M's, I love GCI woodies...Considering the rumored repositioning of the train track, and the large available space, , I doubt I'll be disappointed by anything CP installs in place of WWL.

Again, I doubt they will install a woodie, even a hybrid. And the three coasters installed in the last couple of years at other CF parks, including Patriot to open this year, have been B&M's. We haven't seen a new B&M at CP since Mantis. And near as I can tell, Raptor and Mantis have both been pretty reliable.

So no 500+ coaster for coaster krazy then. If CP wants to break the inversion record we would see atleast 12 or 13 different ones. 2 or 3 loops (yeah) and a couple corsckerw and barrel rolls etc.... Then would you ride it or dont you think you would get sick>

DA20Pilot, my bad, I thought you meant at Cedar Point. And I will agree with you, I would love a giant new woodie back there.

OldCPer, I don't think you mean me being disappointed, I was stating that I love B&M from when DA20Pilot said that he didn't. The top two coasters on my 2007 wishlist are 1) giant woodie, 2) B&M floorless.

It's not a rumor, the track has been moved, Linda.

MrScott

Sorry to dash anyone's hopes, but anyone waiting for a wooden coaster is going to have to wait a bit longer. As much as the name sounds like a wooden coaster, it won't be.

Some of you guys should look more closely at the usable area for the coaster again.

As posted earlier: http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a367/mikefenn7/wwl_site_train.jpg

Think about the amount of track that can fit into that area. This, along with the fact that the train tracks have been moved over nearly 20 feet, should give you a good idea of just how massive this ride will be. All that area may be necessary for large sweeping turns or for densely concentrated elements.

In my opinion there are three possibilites for the area.

1) Dueling [insert ride type here]. I know how quickly people dismissed the idea of dueling flyers back in 2004 when the rumor surfaced, but there's still a remote possibility that it could come to fruition. The name, however, leads me to believe that there won't be more than one track. Maverick to me is quite singular sounding, and the fact that its defines someone as being independent, makes this one seem like a long shot.

2) Inversion record breaker. There is enough area for several unique inversions for this coaster's layout. They wouldn't need to use Thorpe Park's method of many repetitive linear inversions. It's been 10 years since CP installed their last accredited coaster with inversions (see MF for unaccredited), and a lot of people think that they are overdue for such a coaster. If they do add a coaster with inversions, I suspect they would want the preface "world record breaking" to go with it.

3) Uber coaster...or whatever name they would coin for breaking the next 100 foot barrier. The 500+ foot coaster so many enthusiasts think the park needs to build. This could explain moving the tracks closer to Perimeter Road like they did with MF to create a long straightaway for a massive lift hill. I don't think much more needs to be said about a ride like this.

As for people wanting a 4-D...I don't doubt that Cedar Point will get one sometime in the future, but I suspect they will be sticking to proven technologies for this one. I think they have been burnt too many times in the past few years to gamble with another prototype or unestablished ride type.

Did I mention that this year was going to be fun? :)

I actually came up with a floorless layout to go in that exact area... I made it in my head so I have no pictures...

It used WWL station and did a right turn into a Jo-Jo Roll, then a switch-back into another Jo-Jo Roll, then to the lift (facing Thunder Canyon)

Then it did a 180 dip (like Mantis) and a curvy drop into a loop, then a right turn dive loop and exiting towards the railroad, then a tight left turn into a Zero-G-Roll, then it exits to the right and into a ground hugging turn into a MCBR facing Mean Streak...

After a steep drop after the MCBR, it flies into a Cobra Roll, then exits into a Over-banked turn exiting towards the station, then it flies into interlocking Flat-spins and exits into a tunneled turn under the lift...

After the small right turn in a tunnel after exiting the Flat-spins it does a Bat-Wing with the bottom of it being in a themed wooden trench, then it does some cool air-time filled turns that face the direction of the station and Mean Streak, then it does a turn into another Jo-Jo Roll and hits the brakes which are facing the same way as the lift hill, then a small turn into the Station.

That means it'd have 12 inversions and be the tallest, fastest Floorless coaster ever at 175' tall and something kph...

Was that discriptive enough?

Also, if you haven't noticed, I've come to the conclusion that it will be a floorless coaster, even though I'm mostly 100% wrong.

What is an UBer coaster. Anyone have pictures of it.

A woodie is going in the front in place of Demon Drop (future)

Sarmad, there's no such thing as an "uber coaster".:)

I think it will be black.

I think were all speculating on a coaster that is not going to happen. Everyone should know by now, its all about the family....I think its going to be the worlds biggest flat! yeah, thats it a flat. With the name Maverick..I see a giant,no no a HUGE BULL ride for everyone 48"'s and up!! HA!!

Screamomatic, what colors did you come up with for your coaster(track and supports)?

I have a surprise you might like.:)

*** Edited 2/9/2006 1:46:08 AM UTC by TTD 120mph***

Get some pictures of it i would like to see a coaster you made up. It sounds good too.