Length: This picture basically says it all...

Quick question... If no one gave out any information, then how did Screamscape know that it was Intamin before track even arrived?

They didn't. They said it was a good guess because Cedar Point had gone to them for their two previous coasters.

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Do it fast biotch...

Obviously more that that know about the ride...just not the specifics. The people that are telling many of you that you are in denial the ones that either have information, or that have been paying attention to what the people "in the know" have been saying all along. Why the hell be disappointed when they've said the same things about the ride since May? You can't claim that it's a big surprise because it's been hinted at, suggested, and all but blurted out!

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June 28th: LocoBazooka Tour (Sevendust headlining)
July 11th: Korn, Puddle of Mudd, and Deadsy

As someone brought up in the beginning those could be trim brakes, someone shot that down quickly, but wait, magnetic brakes can be of different strengths, you can change spacing/elec current there are many factors. But even if this is the end of the ride i won't complain either and there is no way it will be 500 feet. My guess, 350-420 feet.

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Don't Steal, The Government Hates Competition!

I think it will be the L, TH, B . But at 420 ft, 110 MPH + speed , Twisting downward spiral. Guys this will be one heck of a thrill ride. " Dragster " will be more of a ride than S:TE with its up and down ride and this is what this coaster , "Dragster" is trying to beat . I was " dissapointed " with wicked twisters annoucement.. I quickly shut up after i rode it.. I sure this will be a great ride even tho it is a L, TH, B. IMO

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If you dont Stand for anything , you will fall for everything

I think that in either one or two brakes sections at the end of Xcelerator that it slows to a crawl/near stop. A whole like of that track will have the same effect...it won't be just to slow it down a bit.

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Launch: Tophat: Twistage: Brakes...

...Denial is an ugly thing.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt. *rimshot* :)

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Tommy Penner - Variable X
Cedar Point FanBoy since 2001
Forget 8 Mile - 9 Mile: The Movie is Coming Soon!

This comment goes out to James and Majin. First off we'll go with Majin. You made the comment "Think about it, why are we fine on airplanes even though we can be cruising at 400 or 500 mph?". An airplane and a roller coaster are two totally different situations. You ever stuck your arm out the window when you're driving a mere 75mph down the interstate? Now even though your arm stays still in the car, when you stick it out, it goes flying back. This is because of a nice little thing that Rider also mentioned called air resistance. Why are we fine in airplanes? No air resistance on our bodies. Neglecting altitude and air pressure, if you were to stick your arm out of an airplane travelling at 400-500mph, your arm would be ripped off instantly, just as well, if you were riding a 400-500 mph coaster your torso would be severed from your legs. Now that's a pretty site.

To James, no, 100mph isn't neck breaking speed. But what The Mole was getting at is if we hit breaks at the bottom of a possibly 400ft plus hill and were brought to a stop, that would create that sudden change of speed that you were talking about. And your comment about 1000mph and not being able to tell the difference between 0mph, read the previous comment. Neglecting air resistance you would be correct, however since this is a coaster, and I would like to assume we aren't in enclosed trains, we sort of have to take air resistance into account.

If you'd like to test it out however go for it. I'd just like to ask that if you do go ahead with it, could you invite me. Atleast get it on tape if you don't want spectators. That'll go on AFV.

You got me there. Air resistance would factor in. But not at 100-200 mph speeds. The 1000 mph number was just to make an over-simplified point. Compare to this though: in freefall while skydiving, terminal velocity is normally 150-250mph (record 370mph). No one's limb's fell off. I do understand that if they made the brakes too sudden it would HURT, as in possible fatality, but I'm sure that they know that too and will use a long but weaker brake run as opposed to a sudden hard stop. Heck, even a hard sudden stop at 30 mph can kill you (as in a car accident). My point was that 125 isn't neck breaking speed any more than 60 mph is, as long as they don't make the speed changes too great too fast.

Hopefully I've cleared up my point a little :)

--James

Stopping is always important :)

At SFWOA Villians brakes at the end of the ride are very harsh .From about 40 mph to 0

in 5 ft and everyone survives it (these are my best est.). I feel that no matter how fast it goes up and down there will be brakes somewhere so we can get on and off...

I cant tell for sure ,is there a sec.tower started there.somewhere???

I made up a dragster ride for RGtycoon just for the heck of it last march. Its neetO.

How about xceler8tor, just taller. That would be a cool ride??

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I'm not an old foggy I'm just an old coaster rider..

Follow up idea :(chew on this),

Is it possible that this could be like the Volcano ride at paramount in Virgina It goes straight up after a really quick start,then has all that ride with loops etc .

Its late my OLD brain is tired.You'all are haveing such a good time figuring this out ,what will you do when it finished:)

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I'm not an old foggy I'm just an old coaster rider..

Andy said:

But what The Mole was getting at is if we hit breaks at the bottom of a possibly 400ft plus hill and were brought to a stop, that would create that sudden change of speed that you were talking about.

Wrong... come on, you've been on Millennium Force and Wicked Twister, right? Magnetic breaking, baby! Smooth as glass. There is no "sudden" change in speed, you're brought to a nice smooth stop.

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP
"There's nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, when it's all in your mind. You gotta let go." - Ghetto, Supreme Beings of Leisure

FWIW, Xcelerator's stop is a bit harsher than MF's. However, as has been mentioned, I'm sure that that can be tuned. The sheer amount of brake track suggests to me that this stop will be closer to MF's than Xcelerator's.

Edit: the more I think about it, the constrained space in which Xcelerator was built might have dictated a sharper stop than Intamin would prefer to put in a ride.
*** This post was edited by Brian Noble 10/24/2002 9:54:54 AM ***

That is true about air resistance... I definitely overlooked that. But as for the comment about braking to a stop - look at all the brake track that we have at the park. We already know that the braking will be smooth because it is magnetic, and with the seemingly extra long length of braking, it looks like the "deceleration" will be comfortably low.

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"Meh."
Wicked twists: 11
Danger: Hgih Voltage!

Crazy ideas, but apparently everyone is crazy.

What if it does a vertical figure 8, either looping or inverting at the top. That would explain the two radii for the track, and also the extremely tight and less extremely tight twisting track... I remember Schwarzkopf had a vertical figure 8 design that never got built. Below this is a crude illustration

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mmmmm.....

Hey Folks, you can't forget about the secret underground element too! ;) LOL! I couldn't believe the collective ignorance when an Iron Dragon ride-op told us this last Saturday and you could see everyone in earshot go, "WOW! Really?"

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cyberdman