Length: This picture basically says it all...


Tomaso said:
How can it not be a good addition to the parks coaster collection?

...because the money spent on this coaster is money *not* spent on other possibilities that I feel would to a better job of rounding out their collection.

All in good time, my friend, all in good time.
Remember, Every record breaker CP has had in the last13 years have been broken within 2 years...

Magnum's drop(1989) was out done by Steel Phantom(1991)...When Magnum was built it wasn't the tallest coaster in the World...

Mean Streak(1991) was out done by Rattler(1992)

Raptor(1994) was out done by Montu(1996)

Mantis(1996) was out done by Chang the following year

MF the same year

I would guess that CP doesn't want to invest 30 million dollars into coaster at this time for it to be broken in a couple of years

It's not a cheap attempt to break a record, but those sort of things are in the parks best interest. It generates tremendous hype and free publicity on news channels,magazines,discovery channel type shows,etc. Do you ever see Six Flags WOA on Discovery Channel specials? Shows about the Big Dipper? NO!

How long will you guys take to understand no one is "kicking dirt in the face" or otherwise downtalking on CP? We are merely talking about other possibilities that the park could have done. It is just simple discussion! There is nothing more to it than that.

Jeez, and I thought people would be out today enjoying the great autumn weather...

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Tommy Penner - Variable X
Cedar Point FanBoy since 2001. || Cruiser Boy since 2002.
"Pessimistic people are the happiest people on the planet. They're either right or pleasantly surprised."

I was,then the temp dropped like it did at the point last night when it got dark and I came in. :)
Wow, since I'm downright retarded, I guess I'd better explain myself. Shooting people up and down (???) feet in 1,500 feet is a cheap attempt compared to building a 6,000 foot ride like they did with MF. In ten years, are people going to look at #16 and say it's a classic? It's much more unlikely than their past 3 world's tallest/fastest coasters (MF, Maggie, and Gemini)

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Wow, I hit reload and 20 new posts show up...

First of all, way back in the first page someone said something about the speed after the top hat being much less than the launch speed (80 mph I think was said). Thanks to the wonders of physics and free fall, you can be sure that the pullout speed will be at or very close to the launch speed. No question about it.

Now, capacity. MFJedi, you keep talking about waiting "2-3 hours for a 15 second ride". But how do you know it will be 2-3 hours? Look at Wicked Twister, everyone was saying that the lines would be unbearably long since it has low capacity, and they turned out being some of the shortest lines at the Point. The main factor in wait time is capacity. We already know that the ride time will be very short, so there is already a "boost" in the potential capacity. In addition, the massive amount of kicker wheels in the lot and the appearance of two transfer tracks (see the pairs of unused footers here) give us some hints that this thing could have at least 3 trains, which would also be a major boost in capacity. IMO I think that CP will make this L-TH-B a capacity king, that way people won't complain about waiting so long for such a short ride. Of course, Opening Day might be somewhat of a line, but I don't think it will be as much as some are expecting.

And one last thing, MFJedi you seem to know that this thing will only be 350 ft... well I think you will just be surprised.

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"Meh."
Wicked twists: 10
Danger: Hgih Voltage!

When I say 2-3 hours,I am talking about opening season. It will be less after that. MF was the same way when it opened. The WT line is always 1-1.5 hours or longer, I was just there yesterday and it's line never died down,it was always out of the queue and this was a 50 degree October day,not a summer day.

I hope I am surprised but I don't see a 400 foot drop, I really do hope I am wrong. I just don't think so because of the amount of unsupported track above the structure,unless they have figured out a way to make it a non issue.

There's no way the WT line is 1-1.5 hours all the time... I've been there nine times this year and the longest I have seen is 45 minutes, and that's with both sets of queues by the Stadium filled. Plus, they always seem to overestimate the wait with the sign at the entrance.

I actually doubt that there will be unsupported track above the structure, looking at all the pieces that are in the lot. How do you know that the angled support on the back side of the tower is at 15 degrees? Also, it looks like there will be at least 3 more levels, counting the number of catwalks on site and in the lot. I looked at the tower from several different angles today and came up with about 260-270 feet for the current height. I think the structure itself will even make it over 400.

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"Meh."
Wicked twists: 10
Danger: Hgih Voltage!

To everyone that is complaining about this new ride...

Please do me a favor and do not ride this ride. You have already made up your minds about this coaster so I'm advising you to not waste your time. That way the people like myself who are welcoming this new coaster with open arms will have a shorter queue time and can ride more often.

Thanks,

Bob

Bob, If only we could keep those people out of the queue lines, but it wont happen because everyone of them will be waiting once they see it in action. I totally know what you mean though.

Majin Herro, I also think there will be three more sections after seeing the two catwalks under the tower and the other parts in the lot. I also think it will reach the 400 foot mark and go beyond that.

Yes the line for wicked twister was over an hour almost the entire day yesterday, but there were many times i went to CP this year and i waited less than 30 minutes. Nobody would have guessed this when they were constructing it.

I am sure it is obvious that CP will has designed the station to allow the maximum number of riders per hour. I feel there will be at least 3 trains given the extreme number of advancer wheels in the parking lot.

Well, I'm gonna try to get back on topic (Length: This picture basically says it all... ) with this. I would definately agree that with that picture and with support heights and placements that this is definately going to be the break run. The other side is obviously the launch.

But that doesn't mean that it is a L-TH-B. There is nothing that says that this will be the first and only launch run. There is a possibility that this launch will not be the first element of the ride- the train could just get a "boost" to get it over the tophat.

Yes I know that #16 is gonna to be using a launch similar to that of MF, or at least it is supposed to, and this would mean that it would have to have a boost of some other kind (a possible explanation for all those wheels?). Yes, this idea is most likely not gonna happen, but realize, it's just an idea, and I'm just throwing it out there to hear what people think.

Ok, mox, MF dosn't have a launch.
If your talking about the pullie that hoists the car up to the top of MF, yes something of that nature will be used in 16. What happens is that the car will lock onto the pully, then the hydrolics will fill up the tube the pullie's on, then it'll zoom out of the station and up to the TH.

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Love,
The Mole

Not to post ontop of a post, but I check out the stats of Excelerator, and it cost $13 mill. If 16 costs $20 mill, then we have a much differnt coaster.

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Love,
The Mole

I in fact do not fit in the under 18 crowd. I am in no way trying to outdo anyone. This isn't a competition. Are you in that under 18 category MFJedi? I have an open mind and have never completely shot down anyones ideas or opinions, but only expressed my own opinons. I really dont see any people driving other people's topics into the ground so far. Yes i should lighten up a little bit and i plan on doing that, but until i get my point across ask quoted from Sigma One,

As to the implications that I am a fanboy who kisses the managements rear end and not an enthusiast who "challenges authority" like you: That was pretty unecessary and you can go to hell.

I feel the same way!
*** This post was edited by Tomaso 10/20/2002 10:57:15 PM ***


The Mole said:
Ok, mox, MF dosn't have a launch.
If your talking about the pullie that hoists the car up to the top of MF, yes something of that nature will be used in 16. What happens is that the car will lock onto the pully, then the hydrolics will fill up the tube the pullie's on, then it'll zoom out of the station and up to the TH.

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Love,
The Mole


yeah i know that millie has no launch- it has an elevator lift, i was just saying that the launch on this one is supposedly going to be a lift similar to that of millie's that will hook onto the train then get enough pressure built up so that is can shoot the train outta the station (something like that). Sorry i guess i just didn't make myself clear enough on that one.

it could be electromagnetically launched, or air powered

btw i dont want another mile and a half track, airtime, overbanked coaster---there is no point of making another MF in 3 yrs...a launch coaster is ok w me
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I spent today at the park and was really impressed with the construction that's progressed so far. Like others have said, you have to see the tower in person to fully appreciate its massive proportions. The one thing I couldn't get over is just how long the launch run is going to be. I won't belabor the point because I'm sure you've all seen the photos.

I think the length of the launch is important to the ride, especially if it turns out to have the rumored dragster theme/name. I think the Intamin hydraulic launch will get this train moving to top speed in around 3 seconds and then the "sled" will continue to pull the train at this high velocity for the remainder of the launch track until the train reaches the base of the tower. While this may all sound somewhat obvious, think about travelling 120mph along that entire LONG stretch of launch track riding awfully close to the midway. Admittedly, it'll be over quick, but the long section of launch track is something I personally am pretty excited about.

Well i do find that a little hard to believe that cedar point will have no more long coasters. The people who design these things are good at what they do, and can make a sweet coaster go over, under, and through the woods all the way to grandmothers house. i believe that the next step at this lake-locked park is to build coasters that will thrill you right through other coasters and areas! or maybe someone will come up with a way to build one of these beauties, that utilizes the lake! ever think along those lines? think about it??

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