Length: This picture basically says it all...

Good call force dude, I feel the same way about the island section on millenium force, pretty much there to slow the ride down. Yet i love that ride to death. And for MFJedi, i do not and would not defend CP to my grave, but cedar point takes pride in everything it does and should be respected for that. I dont understand how you can take that from them!

I wasn't taking anything from CP. I just am trying to get people to understand that just because some here may be disappointed with the length of the ride,that somehow that translates to them cracking on the park or saying they suck somehow. That is far from what we are saying.

People will marvel at it but will still say it's a 20 second ride with a 2 hour wait. Like I said,an intense 20 seconds,but 20 seconds nonetheless. Why is this so hard to accept? I think a lot of people would rather have 375 feet with a mile of track than 400 feet with a 15-20 second ride time.

I somewhat agree with MFJedi. I will ride it, I'm sure I'll love it, but I know I'll wish it were just a tad longer.

As far as MF is concerned, I love it just the way it is. Wouldn't change a thing. Love the overbanked turns.

What I would have done, which is slightly off-topic, is I would have removed Demon Drop and placed WT there. Built this rocket coaster with a slightly longer course, and then followed it all up with a nice Wooden Twister where WT sits now. JMO

Dude, for all of you who are looking for an overbank or inversions, then MF and Mantis are a 2 minute walk and they're across from each other. God, can't you guys see that we're getting a possicle 420 ft coaster with vertical twisting and it is at 120 mph or more. That is more than enough dude, that is a lot to look forward to for the 2003 season. If you think that this hell of a ride is not enough, well think again.

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I too think us "Pointies" have gotten to the point of the spoiled rich kid at chirstmas. If it isn't what I aksed for, it won't do!

I have done Hypersonic, and the experience isn't the banked curves. What would you rather see: a coaster with a few curves and a 200 ft hill and launch, or a 350+ 100mph + coaster that then spirals down to the ground?

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Yes,it is a great ride and we all love the idea. We're all just tossing around different ideas as to what we would like to see or have been dreaming of. No one is saying they don't like it. Try to think of it as we are playing Fantasy Roller Coaster Tycoon or something.

The truth hurts folks... get used to it.

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What about capacity? It it is L-Th-B, it will only be able to efficiently run one train. I really don't understand why they're doing this. I can go to Wicked Twister (or even MF) If I want a 200+ foot vertical drop. And I'm not saying that I want a 10,000 foor coaster, but what is this going to be, 1,500? This money could really have been spent better than a cheap (well, not so cheap $$ wise) attempt to break the height/speed record again.

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I'm just curious as to why people think CP dosen't owe it's crowds anything? With out us there is no park... I'm obviously not as big a "pointer" as most on this page but that is why I go to Cedar Point they are inventive and they come out with great rides. All I'm saying is don't sit around saying yeah they blessed us with a 400 foot coaster... demand bigger and better! That's what a business is about pleasing it's customers and making things bigger and better. For all those that want the overbanks I agree I want more than a twenty second ride also. No matter what it is, it will be great but don't ever be satisfied always expect more.

As MFJedi stated earlier "Yes,I guess you could say we are spoiled". And spoiled you are. You should be lucky you have the privledege to visit the park as often as i assume you do. Take a second and look at the rest of the world as they look at cedar point and people like you who have it all in your back yard and still sit unsatisfied..

Yes,unfortunately it does hurt. When it's not 420 people are REALLY going to be upset. Think people-the record dispute between CP and SFMM was DROP, not height of structure. SMTE is 400 feet tall,yes,but the drop is only 328.CP wants to take that record. Dream what you will but this thing is not going to have a 420 foot drop. That tilted in upright on the back of the structire is going to meet with the front two, this is where the tophat will leave the structure and be unsupported. At the angle it is at right now (about 15 degrees), it will meet up with the structure around the 300-325 foot level if not lower. They are not going to have 100 feet of track unsupported in the air, it just doesn't seem likely.

Between 350 and 375 is enough of a cushion to give CP the height record for a few years to come as a whole lot of parks aren't aching to spend 30 or 40 million dollars to beat them with the economy the way it is.

You have a new coaster every 2-3 years, most big ones with records broken. Will it hurt you if for one *recession* year that they don't create a huge, 5,000 ft, 9 hills, coaster? If this becomes a trend, then I'll complain, but so far, they've delivered, so I'm not complaining.

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I guess Tomaso doesn't live around here,not our problem. I'm sure some of us would like to live near Disney too (don't know why) but we don't complain about it.

Anyways,as for ride capacity,with a 20 second ride, if they run two trains,one unloading and one loading/riding, if they can get people out fast enough,it shouldn't be any worse than wicked twister.

The Mole said:
You have a new coaster every 2-3 years, most big ones with records broken. Will it hurt you if for one *recession* year that they don't create a huge, 5,000 ft, 9 hills, coaster? If this becomes a trend, then I'll complain, but so far, they've delivered, so I'm not complaining.

The recession wasn't a problem 2-3 years ago,which is how far in advance rides are planned and built in the factory.

Yes everyone wants bigger, better, higher, longer, and faster rides. That is a given in this equation. But when you are handeed a 400+ foot, 110+ mph ride, no matter how long the ride is you shouldn't kick dirt in there face about it. Everyone has had high hopes for this ride, but to call this a "cheap attemtp to break a record" is unjust and down right retarded.

The only way anyone will be impressed with this ride is if it can go back and forward in time.

*sigh*

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The Mole

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*** This post was edited by Tomaso 10/20/2002 8:19:02 PM ***

Sigh, it's silly how people are throwing this 'spoiled' word around. I would rather have, say, a flyer with a decent layout or a smaller rocket coaster with some more unique elements than a 350-ft L-TH-B. And that's just my opinion. I'll ride the new ride, and I'll probably enjoy it, but it doesn't mean that I think it's a good addition to the park. How is that possibly being spoiled?

On the other hand, its a good addition to the park financially, especially if it breaks the records that it's supposed to. But that doesn't have much effect on whether I think this thing makes for a good addition to the park's coaster collection.

And anyone who uses the word 'retarded' obviously doesn't have an opinion worth listening to. Lets grow up, shall we?
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*** This post was edited by mk468zz 10/20/2002 8:14:43 PM ***

How can it not be a good addition to the parks coaster collection? It's going to be awesome! And for all you unsatisfied people, it will decrease the lines for other rides there, so you really should have nothing to complain about.

mk468zz said:
Sigh, it's silly how people are throwing this 'spoiled' around. I would rather have, say, a flyer with a decent layout or a smaller rocket coaster with some more unique elements than a 350-ft L-TH-B. And that's just my opinion. I'll ride the new ride, and I'll probably enjoy it, but it doesn't mean that I think it's a good addition to the park. How is that possibly being spoiled?
On the other hand, its a good addition to the park financially, especially if it breaks the records that it's supposed to. But that doesn't have much effect on whether I think this thing makes for a good addition to the park's coaster collection.

So would I, but really. CP is building a new ride. We don't know the track layout yet, nor do we know anything more than it's a rocket coaster. It could have massive bunny hills and such to the loading platform for all we know now.

Lets judge this ride when we see it.

But we can all agree that a L:TH:B would be lame, but CP still hasn't disapointed us yet.

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