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stardoors said:

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redbrigade said:
Not poppy-cock meaningless psuedo science!

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Oh, I'm sorry that you don't like this poppy-cock meaningless pseudo science...I hope you'll learn to appreciate science and all the research and medical discoveries eventually. I'm sorry, but without this meaningless science, we wouldn't have antibiotics, vaccines, etc.

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psycho691371 said: sorry but his study in his biology class does make a valid point and science is not "poppy-cock" history is poppy cock not science

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Thanks Doug, I appreciate your backing...but this he is a she...

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A case study is what researchers will refer to as anectodtal, in other words a fine example of what MAY be the phenom that the experimenter is trying to demonstrate but it is valueless as far as trying to use for any sort "scientific backing". All of the 2nd hand smoke studies done by the EPA were flawed so therefore worthless at best and harmful at worst. Since it is unethical to actually use humans in an properly executed double blind study complete with a control group ect, researchers have to rely on epidimioligical studies (ok I can't spell today). This type of study is correlational and therefore prone to any number of flaws! Remember that correlation does not imply causation.

Now if several dozen properly configured studies were run with the results being verifiable and repeatable,the hypothesis definable and the actual study methodology untainted by researcher bias and improper confidence levels I would be more apt to believe all the squawking about 2nd hand smoke.

I have researched any number of Phase 1, 2 and 3 FDA drug trials, pollution studies, psychological studies, financial and economic studies. I indeed have a proper appreciation of the role that good science should and has played in our wonderful lives. Without properly run studies we would not have safe shampoo, deoderant, cosmetics, (I am not so sure that the bunny rabbits that are utilized for cosmetic testing have a positive world view!lol), drugs ect.

This "run on" is about good science v. bad science. I am all for good science used for the intended purpose and not to forward a flawed political agenda that allows the tyranny of the majority to shred the rights of the minority. This type of thinking is the same type that the sheetheads here in Indiana used to justify the lynching of African Americans in the last part of the 19th century and the first third of the 20th. Is this what we want as a society? Of course not!

I never said that there should not be seperate smoking/non-smoking living areas. In fact I stated quite clearly that there should be. Lets face it; smoking stinks and alot of folks for personal reasons do not like it That alone should be justification for wanting and supplying some type of "smoking segregation" (for want of a better term) in the way of living arangements for CP employees. Not "trash science".

wow...who knew i'd get a lecture in ethical science..with a slight CP twist in a forum designed so employees could discuss things at CP and not get all **** faced about every little thing that twists their nipples wrong...honestly people don't you all have something better to do?

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Anyways, back to housing. If there should ever be a smoke-free dorm, I would sign up.

I can understand how colleges who cater to many more people can offer such niceties. And I also understand how CP might not. But I would be in line for a room if it ever happened.
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My apologies redbrigade

-Doug-

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Yea smoking does stink and it can be objectionable to the "breather" so some type of seperation is warranted!

Maybe they should take away the "boy housing" and "girl housing" since there is 24 hour "visitation" anyways and make it smoking and non smoking...just a thought...

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That's true! Personally, I wouldn't care if a guy, girl, or gorilla were living next to me, as long as they didn't start fires or something. Or eat bugs, I would probably be against that too. . .as long as they didn't try to force it on me.

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I was afraid that you'd be afraid if I told you that I was afraid of intimacy. If you don't have a problem with my problem maybe the problem's simply codependency!

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Maybe they should take away the "boy housing" and "girl housing" since there is 24 hour "visitation" anyways and make it smoking and non smoking...just a thought...

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Then you'd have the smoking people complaining that they HAVE to live on-point if they want to smoke or vice versa.

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The would necesarily have to make if off point or on point! The could make, for example - gold smoking and cedars non, and off point, 1400 smoking and 1500 non and have the other non smoking rooms and smooking rooms for people who dont mind! That way everyone would get to live on/off point more or less if they wanted to! But Live E and Jeremy Omega are right, if you want action, go to CP! They have the power to change it, we dont!

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Several problems with that idea.

1: As stated before, the non-smoking dorms would probably fill up fast and then when you have people come in who want it, they complain that there isn't any more rooms and they are being "forced" to live in smoking conditions (but remember.. YOU signed up for this job, no one forced you).

2: 1400 and 1500 have common bathrooms. You may have a male-smoking floor that is full and a female one that isn't. You can't co-ed per floor so you have a problem. Now you have empty rooms.

The system may be flawed the way it is.. but honestly, it's the best. I lived in a smoking room last year even though I don't. Most of my room-mates were pretty good about it.

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Hehe exactly. . .I do not smoke, and I don't particularly like the smell of smoke, but I know if I have a serious problem, I can talk to someone in charge and they will do their best to solve it. . .and that's about all that I could hope for.

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Dodonpa, the world's fastest roller coaster, is set to open later this month in Japan. Unfortunately, only eight people in Japan are tall enough to ride it.

I have a quick question.......What are the community bathrooms like at CEDARS dorm? Individual shower?? Mass shower?? Is it like that for both dorms that have community bathrooms??

If memory serves, I only used the stand up facilities and got the heck out of there, its mass "prison showering"

Soak City has showers in the lockerrooms right? ;-) Just a thought!
But seriously, the only rooms with bathrooms inside the room is the one where you stay with 8 other ppl.? What are ppl.'s thoughts on what housing a newbie should choose when they get there????
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Well in the dorm bathrooms there are several separate shower stalls. They are private, with curtains - it's not like you have a bunch of people all together in one big stall :)

The apartments have their own bathrooms - Bayside and the Commons Apts. In Bayside you have 5-9 people sharing a bathroom and in Commons Apts. you have about 16 people sharing two bathrooms.

The kind of housing you pick has a lot to do with when you arrive. If you get there after mid-April there might not be room left in Bayside. The on-point housing is nice if you don't have a car and want to be close to work. If you want to be closer to the bar and the outside world, off-point is better. Also, it depends on how many people you want to live with. If you want to live with a whole bunch of people, go for an apartment. Apartments are homier and it can be fun to live with so many people as long as everyone gets along. If you would rather have less roomies, then go for a dorm. And the air-conditioning in the Commons Dorms is real nice. Basically you have to figure out the pros and cons of each place and see which would work best for you. (If you haven't already, check out the housing descriptions on Cedar Points website).

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OMG...the girl asked a simple question about smoking in the dorms!! Just chill out and give her a simple answer!! lol
Is this the kind of drama I have to look forward to this summer?? I REALLY hope not!
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If you ACTUALLY read the full thread you'd notice that there were several different issues addressed so ppl. didn't open 10 different topics. And there wasn't much drama here just some insight on ppls. thoughts. That's All.
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Thunder Canyon 2003

You think this is drama??

Ohh it's gonna be a long summer.. hehehe

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June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
VertiGo Rides - 82
Technical Services 2002-2003
Fright Zone Screamster 2002-2003

Wow... I leave for a week and come back to this? I should have stayed in Rome.

I am very surprised at the very heartless, "suck it up, it's reality" comments from some people in this forum. Emma has voiced a very valid health concern and she had a right to ask about it; for her, it could mean life or death, and she definitely made no personal attacks whatsoever in the wording of her question. I'm ashamed that several of you could be so cruel as to tell her it really doesn't matter, when being exposed to secondhand smoke could be a catalyst for her death. Put yourselves in her shoes and think about what she's dealing with every day of her life before condemning her for caring so much. Dying from asphyxiation would be really great, wouldn't it? For shame!!

I understand that many of the laws in the United States make being a smoker difficult and inconvenient; long-distance air travel is just one example. Therefore I can understand why some smokers would be bitter, and feel like non-smokers are encroaching on their rights when new rules are imposed. Personally, I dislike smoking -- the stench gets in my clothes and in my hair, and makes me feel disgusting, not to mention it has killed many people I loved in my family. However, since several of my friends and relatives still do it, I have to deal with it and overlook it because I want to spend time with them. I don't look down on people who smoke; it's a personal choice just like anything else in life. It's just something I choose not to do.

However, I have no health concerns that would make spending time with people who smoke a problem for me. Other people, such as Emma, just can't live the same way. I can't understand why some people in this forum can't sympathize instead of immediately attacking her. Get hearts, people -- "dealing with it" isn't always an option.

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So are there certain things you aren't allowed to do to your rooms?!?! Like are you allowed to put lights up and make it all funky and stuff like a college dorm room? LOL I mean these ARE gonna be our homes for a while...Gotta make it look good! :-)

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Johnny Rockets Crew 2003 (1st year)