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Jeremy Omega said:
I believe smoking is a very fragile right to a diminishing population. The majority believe smoking is wrong and want nothing to do with it. Therefore, smoking should be reserved to prohibited areas of which non-smokers can ignore. Dorms should automaticly be non-smoking, unless the consensus of the roomates agree upon it. Smoking should be prohibited in the halls and stairs anyway. If need be, smokers can go outside and smoke.

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This argument is poppy cock! It's the age old excuse that the tyranny of the majority uses for crushing the rights of the minority. With this same misguided BS for logic we would still have Jim Crow laws, segregation, sex discrimination, and slavery. Just because someone has an "alternative lifestyle" does not mean you make the poor person sleep outside does it? This persons rights are fragile by any definition!

And the BS about 2nd hand smoke is just that! The studies done by the EPA were all originally inconclusive until the confidence levels were changed (basically study sensitivity) to such a low level (90% I think) to render any results meaningless! The air that you breath in Cleveland has to be filthier than 2nd hand smoke!

Now if you want to talk about the fact that smoke smells bad you have a valid point! And that is the only valid argument that a nonsmoker can logically make! Of course sweaty feet smell bad as well and so do restrooms!

Okay, the air in Cleveland can be worse than second hand smoke, but second hand smoke coming off of the end of a cigarette is more condensed than the Cleveland air. I understand how people do not want to live in a building in which smoking is allowed. I understand how smokers want the right to do it anywhere they can. I see both sides to this argument, but I learned last semester in my biology class that second hand smoke does in fact prevent cilliary movement in the lungs. Cilliary movement is when the lungs expel foreign objects. As far as I know, there have been no studies on breathing the air in Cleveland preventing cilliary movement. Some people are very allergic and asmathic to smoke. I think that smokers should be respectful of this, just as non-smokers should be respectful of the fact that smokers want to smoke. I also think that jumping on these girls because they want to breathe "clean" air is not nice. I think everyone just needs to be understanding and happy! :-)

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Granted smoking smells bad and alot of people dont like it. One study does not make something a fact, especially a case study such as the one you cited from a class. This is in the realm of anectodtal evidence that in reality is meaningless to an honest thinker/researcher. The fact that smoking smells bad should be enough to warrant some type of non-smoking area! Not poppy-cock meaningless psuedo science!

sorry but his study in his biology class does make a valid point and science is not "poppy-cock" history is poppy cock not science.

-Doug-

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What I think needs to be made clear here is that having a few smoke-free dorms in not taking away anyones right to smoke. I personally do not care if people smoke, as long as their choice to smoke does not infringe on my right to breathe and be healthy. I have the right to swing my fist around in the air, but the moment I punch someone in the face, my right is taken away. It is amazing to me how some people can be so inconsiderate.

I thought that CP was a equal opportunity employer. I guess I was wrong. CP does not accomodate people with asthma and people who are sensitive to smoke.

I don't need a scientific study to tell me that secondhand smoke is bad. I know it from my everyday experiences. I developed asthma from secondhand smoke and I am at risk of having an asthma attack when I breathe in smoke. I have also had a really bad, very painful sinus infection for almost 2 years now from 2nd hand smoke. I have taken antibiodics, but as long as I am exposed to even the slightest bit of smoke, my infection will not go away. Living in a place where smoke can drift into my room or if I walk into the hallway I will be exposed to it is a dangerous situation for me. I definetly did not ask for this to happen to me. But it certainly limits me from doing a lot of things.

If anyone wants to talk to me about this, e-mail me at XCigarettesKillX@aol.com or IM XCigarettesKIllX

Don't start being mean to Cedar Point. . .the park really can't defend itself.

Last time I checked, being an EOE didn't mean what you are implying. . .

. . .if you wanted to work at a club, you couldn't insist that all smoking be banned because you are allergic to smoke, just to accommodate you(although banning smoking altogether is becoming more and more common ;) ).

Having "a few smoke free dorms?" If you are saying a few smoke free buildings, that, in my opinion anyway, is a pretty big request. . .it's already been stated that you can have rooms that are smoke free.

It's like hotels. . .there are smoking and nonsmoking rooms, but either way, no one is forcing you to live there. Working at CP does not require on-site housing. Maybe in the future CP will be able to accommodate people with this specific request, but for the time being, it doesn't. End of story. . . right?
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I was afraid that you'd be afraid if I told you that I was afraid of intimacy. If you don't have a problem with my problem maybe the problem's simply codependency!

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Actually...

If you do not have a permanent residence within 25 miles of CP.. and want to work there as a seasonal, you are required to live in CP housing. (full timers are exempt from this rule)

From the Cedar Point website:

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Employees must be 18 years of age (or 17 and a high school graduate) and your permanent residence must be at least 25 miles from Cedar Point.

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Red Garter Rob. . .

. . .I was under the impression (and still am) that to QUALIFY for on-site housing, you had to live 25 miles from Cedar Point.

I really don't think you are REQUIRED to live 'on-site,' it was already mentioned that you could live in an off-site apartment, or even with friends and family. . .

. . .unless I am seriously mistaken?

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I was afraid that you'd be afraid if I told you that I was afraid of intimacy. If you don't have a problem with my problem maybe the problem's simply codependency!

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Ok.. "required" may be a little harsh.. But if you live outside of that 25 miles.. Getting hired may be a problem if you want to drive back and forth all day. They need people who are going to make it to work and not have problems getting to work.

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redbrigade said:
Not poppy-cock meaningless psuedo science!

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Oh, I'm sorry that you don't like this poppy-cock meaningless pseudo science...I hope you'll learn to appreciate science and all the research and medical discoveries eventually. I'm sorry, but without this meaningless science, we wouldn't have antibiotics, vaccines, etc.

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psycho691371 said: sorry but his study in his biology class does make a valid point and science is not "poppy-cock" history is poppy cock not science

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Thanks Doug, I appreciate your backing...but this he is a she...

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I live in Central NY and cannot afford to get an apartment so the housing they provide is my only option.

"Despite the best modern filtration systems, many of the carcinogenic and other dangerous components of tobacco smoke can be recirculated through a building's ventilation system and into nonsmokers' apartments. These dangerous chemicals can also seep in above or below an apartment door, through poorly sealed walls, and in many other ways...Drifting tobacco smoke already kills more people that motor vehicle accidents, all crimes, AIDS, illegal drugs, etc. In other words, you are statistically more likely to be killed by your neighbor's tobacco smoke than by his car, his gun, or his AIDS virus. " I got this from http://www.ash.org/smoking-in-condos-and-apartments.html

Which is why just a non-smoking room is not enough, and asking for a non-smoking building really isn't too much to ask.

Red Garter Rob,

Yeah I agree with that. . .I'm sure it's more reliable to live on-site.

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I was afraid that you'd be afraid if I told you that I was afraid of intimacy. If you don't have a problem with my problem maybe the problem's simply codependency!

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I also am allergic to smoke and have serious cough attacks when I am around it. Not only that but I have severe upper respertory problems and have all of my life. When I spend the night somewhere that has smokers or smoke floating around I wake up watery eyed and stuffy. I am lucky knowing neither of my roomates smoke and hope that I don't run into problems because of some rude inconsiderate people in my building.

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Emma, you stir this conversation up every few months, it seems. I, for one, am tired of it. All of your points are valid, but they're not going anywhere. You can spout your bits of trivia left, right, and upside-down, but it's not going to change the world we live in. My advice? Get a new hobby... your AIM username should have told you that.

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Seriously! If you have such great concerns, have you ever VOICED them to someone at Cedar Point? I really don't think talking up a storm will do much here. . .there really isn't a point. If it were up to me, you would have your smoke-free dorm, I would have my sun-proof dorm, and there would also be bug-free dorms for those of us who don't like bugs. But it's not up to me. Nor is it up to ANYONE (for the most part) that posts here. So if it is really such a problem, tell someone that has some say in it.

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I was afraid that you'd be afraid if I told you that I was afraid of intimacy. If you don't have a problem with my problem maybe the problem's simply codependency!

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I find it interesting that even though most people are saying just about the same thing I am you choose to pick on me.

And Gravity, I have not posted a topic about smoking in way over a year, not every few months. If you feel threatened by what I am saying then just don't read it.

Wow, be considerate to the girl at LEAST! It's not like she came on here and said "Hey smokers, you are stupid." She was voicing a HEALTH CONCERN, a perfectly valid one that plenty of people here have already said they share. Even most of the smokers sympathize, so I don't see why a few people on this message board insist on being jerks - THAT'S not getting anyone anywhere.

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I'm not trying to be a jerk about it. I'm being realistic. Emma has valid points and valid concerns. But, just as Live Entertainment said, there's nothing we can do about it here, other than to talk in circles about it. If it was up to me, there would be non-smoking dorms, smoking-like-a-chimney dorms, dorms with people who never partied so they could get some sleep, dorms for all the crazy party-till-6-am people. But, it's just not going to happen.

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Gravity and Live E are right.

I like your idea for dorms to Gravity;)

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And so, i suggest you send a few letters to CP and voice your opinion, or at least speak to a representative and get something accomplished.