Dive Coaster coming to Cedar Point?

TwistedWicker77 said:
Not trying to make it seem like I have factual information on this or tease about this topic, but in terms of Calypso, I've been dying for months to let you guys know that I heard it will be relocated within the park and not removed. That's all I want to say for now.

I would most definitely believe this. Do you remember where you heard this information?

Scottyf said:
If you're saying you don't have any factual information, that makes it baseless rumor.

So you have been sitting on a baseless rumor for months, neat.

Well, I said that because I didn't want people to think I'm on the in and know everything else that's going on. But however you want to take it is fine with me.

CoasterKyle, I do remember where I heard it from and I don't want to say on a public forum you know. Let's just say, goodbye Tubs, hello Calypso.

We have a saying on here. "Those who know, don't talk. Those who don't know, talk." The majority of people on here could care less if you're "on the in". When you start asserting you have "secret information" but can't tell who and why, and insist that we trust you somehow, only 3 things really come to mind.

1 - Perhaps you're "source" is blowing smoke out their arse.
2 - You don't care too much to for your sources well being and his/her job........aka you can't be trusted with a secret.
or
3 - You're making stuff up

The only way those first 2 would the case is if there really IS someone, as you claim, that cares about their job enough to just let information like this slide. Especially to someone who spills the beans just to make themselves look cool in the eyes of some enthusiasts.

Look, we've had tons of people over the years make claims like this. Some have been true, most have not. But instead of making it seem like you've been holding onto this information and just couldn't keep it a secret anymore, perhaps you should just keep stuff like this to yourself and, at the very most, seem like you have respect to people who are willing to share special information like this to you.

And don't expect to be taken seriously if you state (RIGHT off start) that you're "Not trying to make it seem like I have factual information". That statement, flat out, says you blowing smoke out yer arse.

Dude, I'm sharing information that I have been given, with this forum to those who actually care. And why the heck would I try to act like I'm cool to impress you? My goodness. Like I said, take it how you want, I don't care. See, this is the exact reason why people are so afraid to say anything on here when they find out something unless it comes directly from Jeff.

Not to mention, nowhere did I state what I heard is true. It was just something I wanted to share with this community. So for you to be so rude, you can go and blow something else out of your arse.

It's probably more that any realiable source is operating under an NDA, and items are meant to be disclosed in a timed, controlled fashion (rarely on random postings). Usually revealing insider information on forums ends up being bantha fodder in the long run and doesn't pan out. Again, most of the time.

Isn't this what were suppose to do on this site? If we hear information from anyone we share it. Even if its from the Lemon Chill guy ;) i mean at least its a start and gives us something to talk about.

Insider information? I just shared what I heard with you guys. Never said it was true or insider information. Geeze oh man!

TwistedWicker77 said:
Dude, I'm sharing information that I have been given, with this forum to those who actually care. And why the heck would I try to act like I'm cool to impress you? My goodness. Like I said, take it how you want, I don't care. See, this is the exact reason why people are so afraid to say anything on here when they find out something unless it comes directly from Jeff.

Not to mention, nowhere did I state what I heard is true. It was just something I wanted to share with this community. So for you to be so rude, you can go and blow something else out of your arse.

I wasn't being rude or claiming that what you said was true, I know you said you didn't know. What I was doing was trying to lay out the typical assessment that is made when someone makes a claim in the same manner you did. If it came off as insulting, then that wasn't my intention. I will try to better explain what I meant.

First off, whether or not it was your intention to appear "cool" (in everyone's eyes, not just mine.....don't try to make it so personal) is something that wasn't translated very well in your post . Because the way you worded it came off as kind of show off-y. The fact that you were "dying to tell us for months" but choose to state, right off the bat, that it was not meant to sound like you had factual information is very contradictory.

And to say that you heard this but didn't want to say who from, heavily suggests that it's information that could have been heard from someone on the inside. Understand that to say such things is very frowned on by the community. There's nothing wrong with sharing information, but there's a lot wrong with sharing info that should not be shared. Was what you shared some kind of huge deal? No not really. But that's a mute point if it is indeed insider information. I wouldn't be arguing this with you if you were suggesting that it wasn't some kind of insider info.

With regards to your comment about people being afraid to comment on here because of posters like me, I'm getting really tired of this rhetoric being thrown around like there's nothing but evil posters on here. I'm fairly tame compared to some other posters on here and I try to word things in such a way that it's more insight than bashing. So, instead of getting so easily offended and defensive, perhaps you should take what I said as simple insight. My hope is that my words might help you understand how to better word posts and save yourself from the real harsh criticism that some posters on here typically dish out.

If you want to see some REAL harsh criticism, go over to TPR. They're not afraid to flat out call you an idiot and ban you if you say something wrong and argue with them. We're a box full of kittens compared to them.

You must be a real judgemental person in real life. It's silly that you and whoever else acquired all of that from my post when I didn't even remotely suggest that. Once again, where are you getting this "insider info" BS from? Just thought I would share something with you all and then maybe hear your opinion on the subject. Don't worry about who I heard it from since I said it wasn't my place to say who told me. So instead of jumping to conclusions on what you think I meant from how my post was worded, get over it and then move on. For the umm teenth time, however you want to take it, it doesn't matter to me.

^ It clearly matters to you.

I believe you though. I got similar information way in advance at Valleyfair when I worked there, and I was pretty low on the totem poll.

TwistedWicker77 said:
You must be a real judgemental person in real life.

And I'm being rude?

Once again, where are you getting this "insider info" BS from?

From comments like this:

Don't worry about who I heard it from since I said it wasn't my place to say who told me.

I'm merely suggesting that it sounds like you got this from someone on the inside. Though, how the hell else would that kind of info be known if not from SOMEONE on the inside? I don't expect you to tell me who....I could care less who they are.

Just thought I would share something with you all and then maybe hear your opinion on the subject.

And you're getting them. I too hope that what you said is true as I am a Calypso fan. The idea we are questioning is the validity of you're statement and what it means when you say things in that manner. Obviously my opinion regarding it is not something you wanted to hear and you think I'm insulting you somehow......which I am not. So thanks for being outright rude when it wasn't being directed at you.

-cheers-

You're telling me to word my posts differently, maybe you should do the same, because you came off rude IMO. Not to mention your assumptions about the validity and who I heard it from. I see where you're coming from, but if you don't want me to share something I heard, then maybe discussions like this shouldn't exist. Good day mate.

Look man, it's all about delivery. It would have been a lot different if you had just written something like "From my sources, Calypso is not being removed, but is moving." The fact that you couched it in the whole secretive, I-can't-tell-you-but-I-will-anyway-and-btw-it's-not-really-a-fact made it sound douchy.

Looking back I find this whole thing amusing, because of all the things I care about at CP, Calypso isn't even a blip on the radar.

This topic has sure strayed...

Yeah let's talk about coasters now

There really isn't much more to talk about since there isn't any new info on this. I think we should stick to talking about Rougarou this year. If you haven't noticed a new episode of Rougarou Files came out yesterday.

Yes we have a topic on it

That was cool to see a new episode after 2 months of nothing except watching the webcams and pictures from the park every now and then.

TwistedWicker77 said:
You're telling me to word my posts differently, maybe you should do the same, because you came off rude IMO. Not to mention your assumptions about the validity and who I heard it from. I see where you're coming from, but if you don't want me to share something I heard, then maybe discussions like this shouldn't exist. Good day mate.

I wasn't telling you to, only suggesting. I and everyone else have the right to question your facts and your sources. But, obviously, everyone does that in different ways and with different attitudes. Like I was suggesting, if it came from an inside source (as in from someone directly at the park) you might want to be careful how you word things. Generally those bits of information, no matter how innocent, can lead to bad things for that person leaking that info and this community. The park doesn't like reading about stuff being leaked on here by people from the inside or through another person. Sometimes, it puts Jeff and or Walt (and the community) in a bad position. That is why I and others will always bring it up.

Now, if it's from a third part type person (like screamscape or something like that) then just the knowledge that it is can make a huge difference. I'm only suggesting that how you went about it wasn't exactly the best way. So either you take what I say as simple insight and move on or you don't. But none of this is being directed at you in a rude or churlish way. I suppose one could read what I said with a mean inflection, but that's not how I meant it to be read.

In any regard, if a new coaster is going to be installed over there, I would assume some things would either need removed or moved around, so this is certainly elavant to the discussion. A major installation would bring a re-working of the area.

With regards to Calypso, it seems like an "easy" (in relative terms) ride to simply move around. While I would not give it icon status (think, Cedar Downs), it certainly is a classic fixture to Cedar Point's midway, and adds to the family line-up which I don't think they take lightly. I would place my bet on it staying and being moved if this coaster scenario actually takes shape.

Fish in a barrel.