Cedar Point's 2011 ride will target thrill seekers

@Amazing: what you say is totally rational, perhaps too rational for a company chaired by the likes of Dick (middle name Vanity) Kinzel. If anybody in the chain cares about keeping CP in the coaster war lead, it's him.

Yes, but im not sure about next year. Isnt it Dicks last year?

ChrisC. said:
I really can't see a way making a warehouse look pretty.

If I do say so myself, Sams Club is pretty ;).

ChrisC. said:

JuggaLotus said:
So, you're saying it serves a purpose.

It serves a very small purpose to a few people. It is an eye soar that could be on its way out. The ride is an embarrassment to Cedar Point.

^It's hard to take you seriously when you say "eye soar." Seriously, some posters on this site should have paid more attention in English class.

CodyR said:

^Its' hard to take you seriously when you say "eye soar." Seriosly, some posters on this site should have paid more attention in english class

You yourself committed three mistakes in two sentences. Pot, please meet kettle.

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Jason Hammond said:

One of which won't be operating until sometime next year.

That would put them at 17 Jason. :) They currently have 16 "operating."

I'm just getting a little tired of everyone stating that CP needs to keep the coaster lead. Who cares? How many people seriously go to CP because it has the most coasters in the world? And moreover, how many of these said people would now go out to California to go to SFMM just because they had the title? Not many...

While yes it is a nice marketing tool to say you have the most coasters in the world, I can not believe that it really has that much of a profound impact on who is going to attend the park.

I am going to take a slightly different approach and talk about some of the international views of Cedar Point to prove my statement. I talk to alot of people from around the world due to another community that I am in. Whenever I mention Cedar Point to them they always start to talk about how great all of the rides look, and all of the rides that they want to ride if they ever get the chance to make a trip to America and to Cedar Point. Not once has it ever come up "Oh that's the park with the most rollercoasters in the world right?"

Also, both my girlfriend and I have had foreign roommates up at college, and when I was in high school my school would host a group of German students to visit America every year. These students would all have at least one trip to Cedar Point that they were all extremely excited about. Where they excited because it had the most coasters in the world? If they were they didn't say it, but they sure couldn't wait to ride all of the great rides they had always been hearing about.

Sorry about that rant there. :(

AmazingMaverick(: said:
Yes, but im not sure about next year. Isnt it Dicks last year?

Dick's last year was 5 years ago.

We see how well that worked out.

AmazingMaverick(: said:
Also I think once Cedar Point creates a new Steel coaster the shuld make it have the tallest loop.

I sure hope not. If the coaster wars taught us anything, it should be that most of the time, going for the "-est" (longest, tallest, fastest, etcest.) usually isn't the best idea.

Maverick, by contrast, showcased how a ride that is relatively short in height, relatively slow (aside from the launch, which is immediately & necessarily trimmed anyway) and really lacking in any marketable "-est" stuff can deliver an amazing ride experience.

The above is why I hope Kinzel retires sooner, rather than later.

I really hope the Taller-Faster-More sense to capital expenditures is over. I hope Kinzel/Cedar Fair realized this with Maverick. That a smaller coaster can still pack a huge punch.

Oh and I was looking at some of the photos on the site and I came across this one. Thought it was kinda interesting

That poem thing was mind numbing. Wasn't it him who just resigned or was that some one else?

Yes. He "resigned" I think around the begining of the month. I just thought some of the Kinzel parts were a bit funny.

Yes, Falfas just "resigned" recently.

Wonder if he'll still have a tombstone... ;)

Are the trims on Maverick even needed since the heartline roll was taken out? Having been on Maverick many times, i think the second half of the ride would be flippin awesome without them!

What it would be, is flippin crazy. You already fly through that course.

The Stengel dives are intense enough! I wouldn't want to go through them at 75 MPH.

Yeah, those elements are way to damn fast to be taken any faster than it already is.

Two Questions:

1) I would say the majority of comments relating to DT are negative on this site. In particular people really detest the building. Would people be more accepting/loving of disaster transport if they simply removed the building? I am barely old enough to remeber seeing Avalanche Run and the idea that you were not connected to the track always scared the heck out of me. I feel you lose that now with no light. In any event, if tey removed the building it would open up the beach and still provide a very unique ride experience.

2) Why is everyone so down on Kinzel? He helped build Cedar Fair into what it is today and kept Cedar Point its flagship park throughout, and kept the headquarters in Sandusky. As a Northeast Ohio native, I appreciate that. I think his only really bad move (and it was a gigantic blunder no doubt) was over-bidding on and buying the Paramount Parks.

1) Perhaps. But I believe there are issues with sand getting into the troughs, so that may be a problem. Not sure if that is accurate or just hearsay.

2) He was great at running Cedar Point, at least when it came to the "bigger better faster" years, which are now basically over. Since then, he's been nothing but a liability - his very narrow focus on the not-so-lucrative teen market and his inability to retain talent after the Paramount purchase, to name a couple of the many issues he has. Oh, and let's not forget his inexcusable nepotism.

Put simply, the company has outgrown him by leaps & bounds. He should have quit years ago.

I'm not sure where the whole sand comments got started; if memory serves me correctly, hiring the company to "re-do" AR into the piece of crap it is today was one of Kinzel's first moves. I always thought it was more of a "look what we can do" type of move, and an effort to create a Disney-like attraction at Cedar Point. They almost pulled it off, but then we all know what they allowed to happen to the theming.