Cedar Point Announces New Water Ride for 2010 Season
PrawoJazdy said:
Oh well, Cedar Point is missing out on their ticket money today.
And that is the point.
If STR is supposed to draw more guests into the park, it is clearly not doing so. And since schools will be letting out soon, that is more $$$ that STR will not be bringing in.
If you say it really doesn't matter that 1 attraction is closed, my response is why spend $10m+ building a new attraction when it doesn't matter much.
Nothing to do with emotion, strictly business. The longer STR is closed the lower the ROI--especially now that vacation time is approaching.
This Isn't A Hospital--It's An Insane Asylum!
I just don't get how it's so hard to get the dang thing running. Updates to let us know how things are going would be nice. It's been almost a month since the ride was supposed to open and they still haven't gotten it fixed. Completely uncalled for in my opinion. Not just CP but Intamin too.
Captain Hawkeye said:
If you say it really doesn't matter that 1 attraction is closed, my response is why spend $10m+ building a new attraction when it doesn't matter much.Nothing to do with emotion, strictly business. The longer STR is closed the lower the ROI--especially now that vacation time is approaching.
OK. Let's say the ride has a life of 40 years. Someone (perhaps in this thread) estimated the number of operating days/year at around 150, if memory serves.
40 x 150 = 6,000
$10,000,000 / 6,000 = $1,667/day
$1,667 x 28 = $46,667
Pretty sure that's a rounding error, in terms of CP's annual numbers, and absolutely irrelevant in terms of a 40-year outlook (as in 0.47%).
In short, not even remotely a big deal, financially-speaking.
CPboy77 said:
Updates to let us know how things are going would be nice.
Why? So that the park can say "we hope to have it open by XXX", only to have enthusiasts complain when the ride doesn't open by XXX?
They're doing the right thing, in my opinion. State that they're working like hell to get the thing open, and they'll let you know when it's ready.
Brandon
No, I just think it's funny how, no matter what happens with StR, it's either no big deal, or "they're doing the right thing".
and my math is a little different from yours...
28 (days) x 12 (hours) x 30 (workers) x $30 (average hourly rate) = $302,400 x 2 (50% labor/ 50% supplies) = $604,800
Someone is paying for this mistake. Hopefully Intamin, but to say: "In short, not even remotely a big deal, financially-speaking.", really???
Kyle2154 said:
No, I just think it's funny how, no matter what happens with StR, it's either no big deal, or "they're doing the right thing".
That's not at all what I said, or have ever said. But whatever, if seeing everything in absolute terms is fun, have at it.
and my math is a little different from yours...
That's because we're computing completely different things. Dividing 10 by 4 is not the same as multiplying 7 by pi. Math is funny like that. :)
"In short, not even remotely a big deal, financially-speaking.", really???
Sure, when you take my statement completely out of context, it doesn't make much sense at all. I'm not sure why that's surprising.
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Ugh. I really need to learn to leave my troll food at home.
Brandon
djDaemon said:
That's because we're computing completely different things. Dividing 10 by 4 is not the same as multiplying 7 by pi. Math is funny like that. :)
Not really, we're both trying to compute how much the delay has cost the companies
"In short, not even remotely a big deal, financially-speaking.", really???
Sure, when you take my statement completely out of context, it doesn't make much sense at all. I'm not sure why that's surprising.
How can I take a statement like "In short, not even remotely a big deal, financially-speaking." out of context? You were pretty clear.
And yeah, I'm such a troll for thinking the StR delay may cost Intamin 100s of thousands of dollars and piss off some people...
20 days late, and counting...
Noooooooo! Not this again! I don't want to read 5 pages of you guys bitching again! :)
Let's Get Weird.
Kyle2154 said:
Not really, we're both trying to compute how much the delay has cost the companies
Maybe you are, but I wasn't, and that much should have been clear, given my calculations were in response to Hawkeye's post, where he specifically references the $10 million price tag. I was replying to him, and as such, was using information relative to what he said.
How can I take a statement like "In short, not even remotely a big deal, financially-speaking." out of context? You were pretty clear.
Yes, I was clear. Clear in that I was responding to Hawkeye, who was using the ride's $10 million cost as the basis for his comment. It was his comment I was responding to, where I worked out the numbers to show their insignificance (again, relative to $10 million).
Your later point/calculation is not invalid. But your taking my comments completely out of context is sort of ridiculous, and sure isn't adding to the discussion here. Shocker!
Brandon
Your mom is to fat to ride TTD. said:
Noooooooo! Not this again! I don't want to read 5 pages of you guys bitching again! :)
Amen to that.
Don't worry - I'm fresh outta food.
But here's a tip... The best way to steer a conversation a particular way isn't to complain about the way it's going, but rather to add constructively to the discussion in a way that steers the topic another direction. Put simply, rather than complaining, change the subject! :)
Brandon
djDaemon said:
OK. Let's say the ride has a life of 40 years. Someone (perhaps in this thread) estimated the number of operating days/year at around 150, if memory serves.
40 x 150 = 6,000
$10,000,000 / 6,000 = $1,667/day
$1,667 x 28 = $46,667Pretty sure that's a rounding error, in terms of CP's annual numbers, and absolutely irrelevant in terms of a 40-year outlook (as in 0.47%).
In short, not even remotely a big deal, financially-speaking.
I agree with your math, but have 2 problems with your equation:
1) Not all years & days are equal. I'm sure CP does not expect STR to draw as many fans in it's 40th year as in its 1st. Likewise, CP does not expect STR to draw as many people on a Tuesday in May as on a Tuesday in late June. STR not being open when school is out is a lot more "costly" (at least in terms of opportunity costs) than it has been up until now. And the Mine Ride is certainly not the draw now that it was in 1970--40 years ago.
2) Will this ride last 40 years? WWL lasted 25. The old STR lasted 15.
djDaemon said:
CPboy77 said:Updates to let us know how things are going would be nice.
Why? So that the park can say "we hope to have it open by XXX", only to have enthusiasts complain when the ride doesn't open by XXX?
They're doing the right thing, in my opinion. State that they're working like hell to get the thing open, and they'll let you know when it's ready.
PR rules are clear: The more info the better. Not because CP "owes" anyone anything, but to get people on your side. The more you disclose the better off you are. Ask the Tylenol people. Or the Toyoda people. Tylenol's PR after the scare was much better than Toyoda's simply because the Tylenol people were out front so it appeared that they were doing everything to makes things "right" and not leaving malcontents room to second guess. BP is learning that lesson again, now.
This Isn't A Hospital--It's An Insane Asylum!
Cedar Fair and Intamin may have an agreement to play hush, hush on what is taking place. I don't think Intamin would want Cedar Point coming out blaming Intamin for the problem, or, I suppose, under extreme circumstances, vice versa.
Not saying I like the scenario at all, obviously, but I can see where such an agreement may make it difficult to say too much. If the problem with the ride is a design problem, you can't really specify without making the designer look bad.
Kyle2154 said:
28 (days) x 12 (hours) x 30 (workers) x $30 (average hourly rate) = $302,400 x 2 (50% labor/ 50% supplies) = $604,800
Where exactly did you see 30 workers working for 12/hrs/day for 28 days after May 15??
Kyle2154 said:
If the problem with the ride is a design problem, you can't really specify without making the designer look bad.
Since you engineers on here are so well informed maybe you could fill the rest of us in on the EXACT cause of this problem. You seem so intent to place blame and you do not even know how or why the boats were too long. Could it be Intimin? Sure, but how do you know? I seem to remember that it was stated that the sub-contractor designed and built the boats.
Did Intimin provide the Sub-contractor with any information? Did they follow it? Did they go off on their own and design the boats? Did the manufacturing process go wrong? Maybe they read the prints wrong? When these and many other questions are answered, then we can place blame (unless you engineers on here can fill us in since you already know).
Disappointed?? A little, because I want to ride it at least once. Angry? Not hardly. I will ride it when it finally opens up. Upset because CP hasn't kept me INFORMED?? No. It might be interesting to know what is going on. But at the end of the day, STR will open eventually and I will ride it. Untill then I will ride other rides and have FUN. This is NOT going to get me in a frenzy.
Why ride coasters? Becuse there is NOTHING better to do than riding a coaster!
I guess the fact that I hear people saying that when they're at the park some days no one is even working on it or even testing it makes me angry.
CPboy77 said:
I guess the fact that I hear people saying that when they're at the park some days no one is even working on it or even testing it makes me angry.
The fact they are over charging for drinks makes me angry - but you don't see me ranting about it......
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