Big Dipper to CP?

JuggaLotus said:
Having just read the release on CB, that is not a "press release", its a rant. Is there any verification to the source? Has it been confirmed to come from Munch? I can sign someone else's name and fax a rant to a bunch of news stations too, it doesn't make it any more legit.

And especially with no press release coming from Cedar Point, this sounds like it is just trouble making.

Confirmed through 2 methods which I cannot discuss here.

And as I said on CoasterBuzz, sending it to the media doesn't make it a press release. It's not even an opinion piece. It's not news, it's crap stirring. You'd fail your journalism class if you submitted that as a press release.

I didn't write it, so I wouldn't be turning it in. I got it. It says "For Release." It says it's from the Treasurer of ACE. I confirmed the point of origination. And, for the record, very rarely (never for me) would you write a press release in journalism class. Public Relations classes are usually media release training grounds.

The only way the Big Dipper would ever go to Cedar Point is if....yeah not happening. And if it did ever go, the only place where it would even fit the park or anything of that matter would be near the lake or in the woods, and no way will that ever happen. It would be nice to have, but we already have our own classic, Blue Streak.

The whole idea is utterly ridiculous.

Seriously...does this even seem logical to anyone? In any way?

Just answer this question; what would Cedar Point gain from installing this ride?

Good Press and the chance to keep a piece of Northern Ohio amusement history IN Northern Ohio. The "release" seems like an attempt to short cut that and cast the idea in a bad light right from the start.

And reading more of the release, Munch seems to have a monetary interest in Cedar Fair keeping Dipper with the property. His complaint seems less to do with just preserving a coaster, and more to do with getting paid.

Good Press and the chance to keep a piece of Northern Ohio amusement history IN Northern Ohio.

Then I like the idea of building a roller coaster museum. That can be its first display. 99% of the people who come through the entrance gates would have no clue what the Big Dipper is.

And as far as good press, what "good press" does CP need? The only people who are ticked are the 13 people who are crying foul over CF's buy-out of GL. Yes, an exaggeration, but my point is, they are certainly not going to change the opinion of anyone who already hates them.

And that pretty much sums the situation up; people either hate what CF "did", or they simply could not care less. I am in the latter group.

PREMiERdrum said:
I didn't write it, so I wouldn't be turning it in. I got it. It says "For Release." It says it's from the Treasurer of ACE. I confirmed the point of origination.

No one said you wrote it. You're being criticized for calling it a press release, and it's not.

Did you call Munch? Did you get a verbal statement from him? What I'm hearing is that this was not meant for public consumption, and it sure as hell isn't a public position of ACE, seeing as how they have an officer that deals in PR and would be the voice on behalf of the organization.

I have no idea who PREMiERdrum is but I just had to comment. I also received the "press release" email and I confirmed with the sender that it was authentic. I will not say who the sender was but I think most of you can guess. I am also sure that Jeff received a copy.

At first I didn’t believe it but from what I understand the information is accurate, although anyone can choose what they want to believe. For whatever reason the powers that be decided not to release the information after the “leak”

I find it interesting how the webmaster of these forums main reaction is to call users names when he does not agree with them. Where I come from that is called an "ad hominem attack" and a poor debating technique often used to cover up a weak position.

First post!!!!!11!! There's nothing to debate here, anonymous first post guy. This wasn't a press release.

There are two things going on here. One is a story, one is not. One is the underhanded Munch-induced flaming of Cedar Fair because they might do something that doesn't fit his agenda. The other thing is a bona fide story, that Cedar Fair is considering moving the ride themselves. Seeing as how there is no official communication from the company on the actual story, that just leaves a bunch of boring gossip from a hater who can't move on with his life following the closing of an amusement park.

If this story is so bogus, Jeff, why not lock the thread? You're ranting and calling this guy names when he obviously had good reason to break the story. He said he checked his sources and confirmed it on two fronts. If you think he isn't as almighty and as smart as you, then just lock the flippin' thread. Right now you're just using this as a springboard to make yourself look smart, when in reality you're making yourself look like a webmaster on a power trip who thinks he's God.

Now I don't know if this story is bogus or not, I think there would be both good and bad ramifications for moving Big Dipper to CP. I know Brandon is way off saying they wouldn't just move all the rides right away. Otherwise, what happened to the Planet Snoopy rides, X-Flight, Dominator, Thunderhawk, and Voodoo? I wouldn't mind Big Dipper being added, I thought it was the best coaster at GL other than Dominator. Seeing how I'm 6'5", I was a bit squeezed sitting in the trains, but it was still a very enjoyable ride. I don't think a majority of the general public would understand or appreciate such a move, though, so it might not be in their best interest to do so.

Now, wasn't that fun? Arguing a case without flaming, name-calling, or getting on my roller coaster nerd high horse?

As Jeff said, there are 2 stories here. A - Cedar Fair is moving Big Dipper, and B - a guy with a grudge issued a "Press Release" to complain about it.

There is no confirmation on A, and, as PremierDrum said, B is verified. A guy at ACE (Richard Munch, also the Treasurer) issued a release which PD posted to CoasterBuzz.

A is something worth discussing, what are the good and bad points of moving Big Dipper.

B, with no confirmation of A, sounds very much like someone who is just upset and wanted people to listen to him whine and figured since he works for an enthusiast group, that he is "official" enough. Jeff even stated that ACE has a PR person. You don't get to last long in a company if you are issuing "official" press releases without the authorization of the PR department.

"...when in reality you're making yourself look like a webmaster on a power trip who thinks he's God."

I'm not sure you can be completely exonerated of not flaming or name calling.

That said, I think it is safe to say that something is afoot at Circle K. We don't know what it is...only that it likely involves the Dipper. It could be simply that they are exploring the possibility of relocating the ride themselves if it doesn't get bought by X date at auction.

To be honest, I still say that would be a PR move of value. Is it worth $5 million? I don't know. But, I'm sure they would prefer not to have a couple weeks worth of press highlighting the destruction of the ride in a market where they are also running advertising trying to get people to drive a couple of hours over the the Point. To me that would be like a baseball team trying to drive attendance to a stadium after they have announced they will be relocating the next season.

^ - actually, that usually works as fans come to say good-bye to their team.

Of course, you have to announce that the team is moving BEFORE closing day, not the day after it, to see any kind of benefit.

RaceRinger said:
If this story is so bogus, Jeff, why not lock the thread? You're... If you... as smart as you... you're just... make yourself look smart... you're making yourself ...

Now, wasn't that fun? Arguing a case without flaming, name-calling, or getting on my roller coaster nerd high horse?

Do I need to even comment on that?

RaceRinger said:
I know Brandon is way off saying they wouldn't just move all the rides right away. Otherwise, what happened to the Planet Snoopy rides, X-Flight, Dominator, Thunderhawk, and Voodoo?

I'm not way off, here. Those other parks needed or had room for those rides, and those parks dserved them. Michigan's Adventure was dying for a new ride, and they got one! CP has 2 kid areas (Kiddieland and Peanuts Playground), both needing some upgrades. That's what they got. As the same with the other rides.

We're not talking about those, though, we're talking about Big Dipper to CP. And, as I keep saying, CP does not want nor need Big Dipper. It's not smart, and illogical.

Its amazing how much you know about CP.

I mean, seeing as how you don't actually know.

Yeah, ok. Keep telling yourself that.

I don't need to, as I'm quite capable of retaining facts.

"Those who know..."

Sometimes the most illogical things become reality.

Bush winning a 2nd term for starters.

Cedar Fair potentially holding up an NFL franchise's efforts to grow.

A black man and a white woman racing for the Presidential nomination.

Disney installing carnival games into one of its parks (Animal Kingdom).

I learned a long time ago never to say never.

djDaemon said:
I don't need to, as I'm quite capable of retaining facts.

"Those who know..."

You can't just say that crap.

It'd be a very stupid move on CP's part to take down a ride an hour away, transport it, and rebuild it at CP. Think of the finances there. They don't have the money to pursue this.

The ride itself would satisfy the people in the Cleveland market. That's not a lot of people. Too bad.

CP has it's own classic, Blue Streak. We don't need to inherit another classic from another park's just because a handful of people care that much about it.

While CP does have room and space for future rides, they aren't going to waste it on a junk ride, as in Big Dipper.

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But I don't know these things.

Yeah, shut up.

Chief Wahoo said:
Sometimes the most illogical things become reality.

Bush winning a 2nd term for starters.

Cedar Fair potentially holding up an NFL franchise's efforts to grow.

A black man and a white woman racing for the Presidential nomination.

Disney installing carnival games into one of its parks (Animal Kingdom).

I learned a long time ago never to say never.

Sometimes, yes. Bush over Kerry? Lesser of the two evils.

CF possibly* holding a NFL franchise, ok, this one wins.

Black man and woman running for President? Would have happened sooner or later.

I'm not touching Disney, I don't know that much on it..