Any word or thought on a ride for 2006???

By increasing the lift angle, it would greatly reduce the time needed to haul the train to the top. Given a similar lift speed as MF's lift and a lift angle of 75 degrees it would take around 27 seconds for it to reach the top. MF takes around 22 seconds.

Granted the lift angle is made up, but it gives you an idea of how they can compensate by altering the lift angle.

Regarding dive machines: Don't put too much faith in exclusivity contracts. Acquisitions are common and if shareholders prefer one firm's management style to another's, parks change hands quickly.

By illustration, in the past 12 months Harrah's merged with Park Place Entertainment and Mandalay Bay merged with MGM/Mirage. Now 80% of those gigantic casino resorts in Las Vegas are owned by just two corporations.

Maybe soon it will be just Disney/Universal/Paramount Corp. vs. Cedar Fair/Busch/Six Flags Group. I think Busch's design asthetics + Cedar Fair's park planning and operations would make a killer combo, and they could clean up those less-than-stellar Flags parks.

A 90 degree lift would be sweet on a flyer. I rode Xflight for the first time a few weeks ago and I am sold....I want a flyer! M Force is a good enough "dive machine" for me. Please, no foorless unless Mantis is ever can be converted.

Can't we just get all off them?

That would definitely work.

Which makes me think, what happens when we are in fact out of new coaster types? Oh no, the end of possible growth in all amusement parks just flashed into my head. Make it stop!

First, I said that I THINK there hasn't been a tilt coaster built. Thinks means I don't know for sure. I'm not saying you have to be an engineer to browse a coaster web site. But, to sit here and claim you know what will go wrong with that design is only an educated guess and nothing more. Don't spout it as fact, which is what I have seen. Yes, inevitably something mechanical will have something that will go wrong, but you don't know what that would be. Quit pretending to know it all.

that was a while back, can you forget about it and get back to the subject. thanks

Coasterfury,

People are having a discussion here. If you have nothing better to do than criticize their ideas, then please dont be a part of it. I'm assuming that you're talking to me, and I have absolutely no idea why I'm singled out as a 'know-it-all.'

Since when does making a counter-point, or an observation about something label me as anything but interested? There are certain things that are just so obvious that ANYONE who thinks about it can realize. For example, what I was saying. The idea that a tilt coaster has an amazing amount of stress on moving parts is not exactly rocket science. I have never said I know what will go wrong with something, but I can make educated guesses on why something is logically a bad idea.

Less likely things wouldve happened, like a cable fraying apart during launch or two trains getting on a lift hill at once. I'm no engineer and I'm no 'know-it-all,' I'm simply someone with an opinion and enough common sense to apply it to a relevant topic.

Allright. If CP is selling a coaster, could that meen we might get two coasters next year?

MY GUESS (because apparently I have to label myself strictly as lesser than opinionated) is that IF a ride is removed, that a newer coaster will fill it's place. There aren't too many practical removal possibilities that a new ride wouldnt fit into the adjoining area.

For example, DT has the space in the parking lot and the mine ride has the cars/possible log flume, MF Island and a lot more of frontierstown.

My first choice would be a GG wooden coaster. Cedar Point has 4 of the top 10 steel coasters, according to the Golden Ticket awards in 2004. Neither of Cedar Point's wooden coasters were even in the top 50. I think that Cear Point should put in a top 10 wooden coaster next. A well maintained wood coaster can be very smooth.

If Cedar Point were to try a steel coaster, I would like to see another non-looper, maybe something like Nitro or Raging Bull. I'm sure many of you here on the message board think that Cedar Point has enough non-looping steel coasters, but I don't find looping to be very thrilling, so I would like to see something other than another looper. Also, the top 8 steel coasters on the 2004 Golden Ticket awards don't loop. I woudn't mind seeing an X coaster either. The folks over at S&S/Arrow have had many years to fix the problems that occured with X, so I think that it may be possible to build one that runs much better now.

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Why would cedar point put in a nitro or raging bull if they have maggie and millie.

what cedar point needs is a nice B&M looper (flyer, floorless, sitdown, or even a dive machine)

PLEASE, no height and speed records. just most loops on a coaster.

Wicked Twister 90 said:
Allright. If CP is selling a coaster, could that meen we might get two coasters next year?

Wicked Twister, I'm not singling you out and torching. I'm just using your quote for relevent reference. If a coaster is sold, I highly doubt you'd see a new one in the same plot of land next year. I don't know the logistics of it, but to take down a coaster, track and footers, and build a brand new one, which would include surveying (which i don't know how that would be done prior, in the case that its DT-and its building), pouring footers, erecting track, puting a queue in, running wires & pipes, station, etc. within an off season is highly highly unlikely.

Sarmad, are you a mod? Didn't think so.

Grovite18, I was not really referring to you. I'm not here criticizing people's ideas for a new coaster. I'm criticizing their supposed knowledge of how Vekoma Tilt Coasters operate and their alleged problems. As I said, it's an educated guess at best, which is what you repeated.

Personally, I hope CP gets another thrill ride. 16 coasters is plenty.

Grovite18 said:
There aren't too many practical removal possibilities that a new ride wouldnt fit into the adjoining area.

For example, DT has the space in the parking lot...

Didn't they just repave that parking lot? Not that they wouldn't have done it anyway, but why would they spend the money to pave it if they were just going to rip it out. I think it was in good enough condition to last another year.
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THAT'S IT!!!

They're building the coaster underneath the parking lot as we speak!!! How silly we must all feel for not figuring this out much sooner! They paved last year after secretly building the world's largest roller coaster - UNDERGROUND! Since then, they've been meticulously (sp?) testing and putting the finishing touches on it...

Now the real question, is it a parking lot coaster? Heck, its possible to build something partly under a parking lot, just look at Hades. That would be kind of cool now that I think about it...

Building underground still will not happen at Cedar Point because the water table is still too high. Drain the lake and the bay and then, maybe, we can talk about underground coasters.

Michael Darling said:
Drain the lake and the bay and then, maybe, we can talk about underground coasters.

It can be done. ;)