Any word or thought on a ride for 2006???

Yeah But I think If Cedar Point does put in something its going to be just as exciting and more thrilling than Hydra is over at Dorney. That's how Cedar Point does things, they like to challenge the competition by building Coasters to the extreme by breaking records. I'm sure if Cedar Point adds a Floorless, you'll see probably more inversions, and a Height of at least 190 feet to 200 feet. And how can you say Hydra is a dissapointment? Dominator At Geauga Lake is probably short compared to Hydra. Look for Cedar Point to beat both of those coasters in length. The reason I see Cedar Point putting a Floorless is, is because Raptor does so well that they might want to bring the same to the back of the park.

Too bad their isn't an easy fix to change Mantis into a floorless. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the heartline in about the same location for the floorless trains as a stand-up? It seems to me that the seats on B&M's trains are raised higher than conventional trains.

I always thought of that too. I think a lot of people would enjoy Mantis More if it was a Floorless. I like Mantis In all, except for the fact that it pulls my leg Muscles really hard. Maybe someone on the site can give a good reason why that can't be done.

You know, I've always contemplated about switching trains on Mantis. I always think it's possible because all B&M track looks like it’s designed the same. Though I think there are still differences in each of their coasters, like their dive coasters (Man is that track huge).

http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forum.aspx?mode=thread&TopicID=22802

Old thread about Floorless trains on Mantis. Quite an interesting read.

I would really like a Top Spin like the one at Knotts. Also have the water as well. MrScott maybe thats what they might do make a wet flat ride.

Ive ridden a top spin before and loved it as well, it would be a great addition to the park.

CP_bound said:
I still think that the water ride plans were completely scrapped. It doesn't make sense for them to give away what they are doing for the following year in May in an interview rather than waiting until later in the season when they release an official press.

That's the genius of it. They know that people will think just that, and just when they go you thinking it will be sometyhing else, they announce the world's first water coaster with a loop ;)

Race for the Fry, in case you were wondering, I was talking about the Vekoma tilt coaster that some seem to think that they are an expert on the technology; i.e. problems that could arise and what not. I don't think there's one built and none of the people here work for Vekoma, so how can you possibly know what could go wrong with that concept? Simple...you don't.

Well that's a pretty misinformed post...

Yes there has been at least one built over in Europe.

...You claim that since we aren't employed by the company that builds it we can't comment on what could go wrong with the ride's mechanics? If that were true then it would be pretty quiet around here, Cbuzz, and other fan sites. It's mechanical--it will break! Plain and simple, it is the one truth when dealing with moving parts of a machine. We could banter all day about possible things that could go wrong with the system. Would they all happen? Perhaps, perhaps not, but they certainly are all possibilities.

You know how the fail-safe magnetic braking system on Intamin coasters are supposed to make it impossible for two trains to occupy the same block, and therefore impossible for them to collide? Well it's happened twice now. You know how nearly everyone flamed those who claimed that it was indeed possible for a Dragster train to balance at the apex of the tower before it actually happened (more than a few times now and with people as well).

No matter how slim the probability is of an incident or event from happening, you can always count on 'ole Murphy to come around and kick you in the pants when you least expect it.

*** Edited 8/8/2005 5:29:17 PM UTC by CP_bound***

Coasterfury...

The general theory behind failure when dealing with mechanisms is this: The greater the number of moving parts, the higher the probability of failure. So, when comparing any lift hill (be it a traditional or 90-degree lift) has essentially zero moving parts. The tilt system Vekoma has proposed has infinitely more moving parts, making it much more dangerous.

Since when did you need to become an engineer to brainstorm on an enthusiast website?

It doesn't take someone with a degree in engineering to understand the forces at work here. You don't need to be Einstein to understand that the higher something is, and the more it weighs, the more supports you need for it.

Its not about the number of supports (if you're referring to the Vekoma lift system).

In fact, it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with weight or supports. I think that between CP_bound's (and mine ;)) posts above, we've covered why this system is not a good idea.

Grovite18 said:
Since when did you need to become an engineer to brainstorm on an enthusiast website?

I dont recall them ever claiming that they were engineers.

It doesn't take someone with a degree in engineering to understand the forces at work here.

And it doesn’t take "someone with a degree" to explain it. Just take what they have to say, even if you don’t agree with them.

Really, is anything truelly huge comes out, I'm talking 500 footer, it should be a traditional lift. I'm not saying we might get one, I'm not saying we should. In fact, I really don't want to see one. If we do, though, and its some straight up and down lift, it would look pretty damn crappy on the skyline. Personally I think Millenium and Dragster look amazing as the dynamic duo up against the sky. Now this verticle lift could work pretty well on a shorter coaster, but what could they do with it there without rehashing their other rides? Personally, I think a B&M would be a great addition to the park, be it a flyer or better yet, a floorless. The best would be a Dive Machine, though. If we could get some kind of 250 foot or so coaster with a vertical drop, that would look great and be an amazing ride. However , apparently they can't build one there (not sure of the validity of that Busch contract), so I say build a floorless and add a Dive Machine in a few years.

Actually, has anybody considered a straight B&M sitdown? I rode Kumba back a WHILE ago when I was just barely tall enough (I'd get my hight checked twice while in ride for Kumba and Montu every time!), and I still remember it as one of the most forcefull rides I've ever ridden. Would a ride like that be marketable with Mantis in the park? Thats the only thing that would make that tough, but the only B&M sitdowns I've been able to ride are in Florida, and I'd love to see such a great ride at Cedar Point. *** Edited 8/8/2005 6:31:20 PM UTC by Boris the Spider***

I think a B&M sitdown would be neat to get. It's a very unique kind of coaster, as is a floorless. So any one of those would do in my opinion.

Hell, anything would be good for next year!

Just as long as it's something cool.

liebevision said :

tophat said:
You know what would be cool? a coaster with a launch lift hill, and at the top of the hill there could be a giant loop. So then the coaster would be like 230 ft. at the top of the loop.

Yeah, I do this in roller coaster tycoon all the time, I like the idea of a cobra rool instead of a loop better, you'd turn the ride back on it self and make it take up less space

I take that back, it would just turn into another Top Thrill Dragster. Unless they added a loop, and more elements. Kind of like The Incredible Hulk Coaster at Islands of Adventure.

Something like the Hulk would be neat as well.
Even if though B&M probably won't be doing another one.

I think if CP were going to go a more traditional sitdown route it'd be with a floorless. It's essentially the same thing (layout-wise) as a sit-down, just with the added perk of no floor. It seems that B&M has been leaning more that way to building them lately anyway, why not do that instead of having to "waste" $$ building one at a later date?

and I didn't claim that either of them were engineers, I was saying that I'm not, but I think I have some very valid points posted here. I am by no means en engineer, and as such, can vouch for my competancy when it comes to very basic ideas.

I don't want to get flamed, but do any roller coasters currently use a LIM lift system? And, is there any reason a LIM lift system cannot be used?

In all reality, a cable lift would still take a while on a larger lift hill (400 ft or more). Also, I don't see CP building a new launch coaster anytime soon. In my opinion, assuming it could be adapted, LIMs would be pretty interesting to see on a lift hill. *** Edited 8/8/2005 8:03:13 PM UTC by Kyle Dersch***

California Screamin' uses LIMs on two lifts. It's not a very efficient use of power, though.