Another Intamin Rocket?

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Then the argument comes up well we already have a hyper coaster (MF and magnum)

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Maggie is Hyper, MF is Giga, and TTD is Strata.

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But most recent rumors have a couple of flat rides

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Notice the word rumors?

ru.mor (roo-mur) noun Something said by many people although it is unlikely true.

Well the rumors I have heard, and one of them from a pretty darn good inside source, is that a coaster will be put in next year. I obviously can't assure that, but I believe a coaster is going in next year. It should be a good sized ride too, not a kiddie ride. Maybe they will put both in..who knows:)

Let's just hope one goes in 05, and one when Kinzel retires..a record breaking RIDE (yes RIDE, not tophat:))

Floorless '05! (I wish)

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CurrentlyDownDueTo FillInTheBlank said:

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Notice the word rumors?

ru.mor (roo-mur) noun Something said by many people although it is unlikely true.

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Rumors are all any of us have to go on. Sure, they're not 100% reliable, but if you look around a little, the same few keep popping up:

No major coaster until 2006. Two or more flat rides (including at least one from Huss) in 2005. Maybe a small coaster for 2005.

Also, FYI, a rumor is simply an unconfirmed bit of information- quite often it turns out to be true. *** Edited 6/29/2004 7:42:41 PM UTC by Thonolan***

Well, the same rumor that Magnum is sinking has been around for years. And how the girl with the long was scalped by the PT. I guess since that they are everywhere, they MUST be true! Sorry!

And FYI: Get a new dictionary! *** Edited 6/29/2004 8:12:31 PM UTC by CurrentlyDownDueTo FillInTheBlank***

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Shawn Meyer said:
...we all know that won't happen because of the layout and that they would have to completly demolish it.

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I love engineering expert opinions like these.

Raptor, while record setting at the time, was not so ambitious that the goal was to be the -est anything. It was built to fit a certain space and deliver a great ride. That's why to this day it opens up with an hour-long line every morning. It just plain delivers, just as its parents do (the Batman clones).

Design over records... that's what the park needs. That's why SFNE's Superman dogs Millennium Force in the polls year after year.

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Hooper said:

Then the argument comes up well we already have a hyper coaster (MF and magnum) and a B&M hyper would be about the same thing. Yes and no, the design is the same idea, but the ride experience doesn't have to be. Lets face the facts, magnum isn't going to be around forever, I like the ride alot but I do think it is time for another ride to take it's place as the CP airtime machine, and what better ride then a hyper from B&M. Then people say well MF has airtime, not really only in 3 or 4 places, MF is speed. (and a great ride).

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I don't usually quote people but here it goes. Why would Cedar Point take out Magnum? That's like they're signature ride which started it all. I mean like Millennium Force it broke a lot of records and for many years held the #1 rollercoaster spot. I would rather take out Corkscrew. Yeah not a lot of people ride it as they used to but it's still a good ride. Where would you send a ride like Magnum? IMO I think CP we'll keep Magnum. That's just my opinion.

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Thonolan said:
What's wrong with wooden coasters? As long as it wasn't another over-sized monster like the Mean Streak, I would love to see another woodie at Cedar Point. They already have more than enough steel coaters. *** Edited 6/29/2004 7:51:26 PM UTC by Thonolan***

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I'll tell you what's wrong with wooden coasters. They BLOW. I hate riding rides where my back and neck hurts because of being thrown around like a rag doll. CP wouldn't build another wooden one after the negative opinions after Mean Streak was built, and they won't build one unless it's a record breaker. Has anybody heard of another coaster at SFMM. Because if they are building another one, CP will build one to keep the record for most coasters tied.

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Thonolan said:

What's wrong with wooden coasters? As long as it wasn't another over-sized monster like the Mean Streak, I would love to see another woodie at Cedar Point. They already have more than enough steel coaters. *** Edited 6/29/2004 7:51:26 PM UTC by Thonolan***

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They SUCK!!!!

They need a ride like B&M's "The Incredible at Universal Orlands Islands of Adventure. It's not a traditional lift hill. It's a launch hill but its non-stop crazyness. I absolutly loved that ride

http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery557.htm

Woodies don't suck. I'm not a huge fan of Mean Streak, in fact, it doesn't really do anything for me besides take forever. But a woodie that is done right (Shivering Timbers) will provide a better ride than most steel coasters. For those of you who haven't ridden ST, think woodie with air-time on par with Magnum. It is honestly one of the best rides I've ever had on any coaster wood or steel.

John

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Well the rumors I have heard, and one of them from a pretty darn good inside source

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Oh, I'm sorry. If your "Inside Source" is any other than Kinzel himself, well, I'll just leave it at that and keep laughing!

I agree that MS completely sucks. I rode it when it first opened, and my neck hurt for days. I decided to give it one more shot this year because of the changes, and it does nothing but viberate (not in a good way) during the entire ride. My teeth hurt after it now instead of my neck.

BS is a perfect example of an oldie is a goodie. It is not rough at all, and the whole ride is nothing but air time. I am all for the record breakers, the longer and steeper the drop the better. I would love to see something like MF with a 500' 85 degree drop, with more air time. It's nice to live near a park that is known for so much, and having the Golden Ticket every year isn't that bad either!

B&M is great, so is Intamin. Totally different ride expeiences. I don't care for Mantis (ouch) but I love Raptor. Arrow is good, but a little rough. They all have their good and bad in my opinion. Some people love Mantis, while for me, I get on it and can't wait for it to be over. Everyone likes different things, and the industry knows what they are doing. They know that some will love it and some will hate it. But who hates Raptor and MF? I have never heard any complaints about them!

What ever they put in next I am sure will be great. Doesn't have to hold any titles, but c'mon, it is CP that we are talking about!

Oh and I am pretty sure that WE opened as thae world's "Tallest and Fastest Kiddie Coaster". That's what they say on Paddlewheel Excursions anyway.

Shawn, that isn't meant as a CP takes out magnum next year or in the next couple. What is meant is this: I am not really sure if magnum is getting rougher or not. I do agree each ride is different, some rides I get off and they hurt like heck, others are awesome with great air, not to painful. Anyway with magnum the questions become (and all the rides that get old) ROI. How much do I put into this ride based on how many people ride it. Usually the magnum line is short. I am not sure if it will still be around 10 years or so down the road. What I wouldn't mind seeing is Morgan coming in and retracking it with 3 new trains like PR at kennywood. But I predict that would be to costly.

So basically I am saying I don't think we can guarantee magnum to be there way down the road, and we need another airtime hyper to take it's place. Of course this wouldn't be the "est" but who cares, it should be a awesome coaster. And it certainly goes away from CP's short and one trick pony rides lately.

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raptorman95 said:
Has anybody heard of another coaster at SFMM. Because if they are building another one, CP will build one to keep the record for most coasters tied.

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I'll say it again... no one in LA cares about Cedar Point. No one in Cleveland or Detroit cares about Magic Mountain. They do not compete.

Hooper,
What about Blue Streak, or Mine Ride, or Disaster Transport, or Wildcat or Iron Dragon....None of those have massive lines during the summer, but I doubt any one of them will be pulled out at any time soon. Hell, BS is going on its 40th summer, and its line has never been that long when I've been there, and you're saying that Magnum would get pulled out first?? Rollercoasters are built to last, and thats what maintenance is for.
Magnum still entertains riders, and if the lines are short, so what, that just means more rides for me while others go and ride the one-trick-pony across the midway. TTD provides a great thrill, but its not a great ride. Magnum however provides not only a thrill but a GREAT ride.
As for what I would like to see next, either a classic wood coaster ala Shivering Timbers or an invert near raptor that works around and through the raptor design in a dueling type fashion. I think that could make for some interesting designs.

John

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CurrentlyDownDueTo FillInTheBlank said:
Well, the same rumor that Magnum is sinking has been around for years. And how the girl with the long was scalped by the PT. I guess since that they are everywhere, they MUST be true! Sorry!

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Well, the tricky part is having the intelligence to pick out the useful stuff from all of the garbage...I'm sorry if you don't qualify.

Also, the Merriam-Webster online dictionary lists the following definition for the word "rumor": talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source.

What the heck dictionary are YOU using?
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Jeff,

I know that nobody cares about SFMM here but the Amusement Park industry cares. That's what I meant. Sorry for the confusion.

Here's a thought on taking out Magnum, MS, ID, whatever else people are saying could be removed because the lines are always short... CP doesn't want people in lines. When you're waiting 2-3 hours for TTD or MF, guess what you're NOT doing... Spending money. Whether it be games or food or whatever, you're not spending money. So in theory, if I were running a park, something like Magnum with a 30 minute line would allow guests to spend more money than something like MF with a 2 hour line. Yeah, the big new stuff brings 'em in, but we still ride the older stuff too. Don't judge a ride's value to the park by how long the line is. As long as they send out trains full of people, it'll stick around and can move the line relatively quickly, it'll stick around. Just my 2 cents.

There's absolutely no way that the Magnum will be removed anytime soon. It's one of the most popular steel coasters in the world. Amusement Today listed it as the fourth best in the world in their last poll.

http://www.amusementtoday.com/GoldenTicket/g_ticket_steel.html *** Edited 6/30/2004 3:48:34 PM UTC by Thonolan***

Your right, but I don't see Magnum ever being removed. If CP hasn't removed DT yet, don't expect a roller coaster removal for a long time.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing a few of the existing coasters (Iron Dragon, Disaster Transport, Corkscrew) removed to make room for better ones. Could they cram a few more coasters into Cedar Point without removing older coasters? Sure, and they probably will, but I personally hope that they don't destroy any more trees. The park is starting to look more and more like a parking lot with rides, and I don't want to see the trend continued. *** Edited 6/30/2004 4:42:49 PM UTC by Thonolan***