3 Coasters For Magic Mountain in 2001?

So Vince, speaking for ALL coaster enthusiasts now are ya? Let people form their own opinions, thank you very much.

One hundred forty days until the CP 2001 season? Every second shows. I'm thinking everyone needs to stop complaining about complaining. A good number of anyone who posted after the first couple of lines has been "wasting there time". In fact it may even be worse when you are taking the time to complain about someone else. You guys know it's not even winter yet?

Can't we all just get along? Otherwise it will be a long winter.

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"Welcome back riders, how was your ride."

"All I can say is it's great to be back."

Yes. Lets stop fighting and complaining about the complaints of the complaints about the original complaints, and watch Six Flags ride their own "Rollercoaster" Superman The Escape. They are reaching the top now, but I think they have a long, tough fall (backwards) ahead of them. I think Cedar Fair is more or less on the Magnum. It may appear they are on the way down the first hill, but the ride ahead is even better. (AIR TIME!!!!) Does anyone else here besides me think Premier is going downhill?? They have to be pretty desperate for cash to be charging $48 to get in.

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Joe E

To be honest, I could give a rat's toot about which company spends what. I'm a rollercoaster nut, and I like coasters, period. And SFMM has a whopping 15!!! CP has a whopping 14!!! I'll leave the rest to those who are "paid" to worry about the business end. My job is to enjoy the coasters!! WOOO HOOO!

Fourty-eight dollars to get into one park! In FL about every park is only fourty and that's because Disney is the price setter. Think about it, a family of four, that's 200 dollars just at the gate! This isn't counting parking, food, and misc.

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*** This post was edited by Magnum 1989- on 12/16/2000. ***

I would have to agree, I don't think Magic Mountain will be able to build more coasters for 2002. I think Cedar Point saving up for a year will pay off big time. I mean look what they have done for the past 3 years (or more). Power Tower, then Camp Snoopy then Millennium Force. No one can say they are disappointed with Cedar Point not building a new ride or attraction for next year.

Someone said before

"So Vince, speaking for ALL coaster enthusiasts now are ya? Let people form their own opinions, thank you very much."

Well people have spoken. When you look at any polls on the internet, you know Cedar Point is the number one park in the world.

I also agree with the ice cream thing. I'd rather have roller coasters come over time then all at once then have to wait a few years before another is built. I don't think it is smart to just build these 3 rollercoasters. People will get bored with them. But who knows Cedar Point may suprise us.

Also is this a RUMOR or FACT??? because if you look at the link it says RUMOR
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Number 1 And Only Cedar Point.

Now settle down. We all know that our favorite CEO is sitting in his office saying 3 coasters huh. We'll I'll build one that will smoke all 3. I'll put in a little of this and a little of that and oh,look at that one coaster of good quality for the price of 3.

Boomerang, If the point put in one of these we all would say WHAT! X may be the next great thing but how does this ride perform overall and being better than the Force I don't think so. Let's just chill till 2002 or 2003 and we'll all be talking about the point again in joy.

$47.99 is the cost to renew your Six Flags season pass for 2001 at SFMM, not the one day entrance to the park. The now infamous brochure was sent out to Six Flags annual passholders in SoCal. One day admission is still $40.99. I doubt they will hike up the price $7 in one season, but I could eat these words later.

BTW, if these 3 coasters were comming to CP next year, I guarantee you would all be singing the praises and joys of X and Deja Vu. Or would you still be saying that you would rather get nothing? Please.

Good call, Judge Roy Scream, more people on this baord need to have your attitude about coasters.
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Only 2290½ miles from Cedar Po!nt *** This post was edited by Soggy on 12/16/2000. ***

First off Cedar Point is not that stupid to put in 3 coasters in one year. Second from my time being on this forum, I haven't heard all the much praise from a boomerang being made. I can see the X coaster but not a kiddie coaster and a boomerang.

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Number 1 And Only Cedar Point.

Not many Camp Snoopy-type goers post on CP Place. That's why you're not seeing a lot of praise for Goliath Jr. I'll bet if you were 5 years old and lived near SFMM, you'd be hype.

I think we should all wait to pass judgement on this Super Boomerang/Invertigo. For some reason, people seem to think that shuttles aren't worthy of being called a coaster, yet the enthusiast world still goes crazy for Montezooma's Revenge (Knott's Berry Farm) and gives equal praise to the new Superman: Ultimate Escape at Six Flags Ohio, which I think is a awesome ride. Maybe Deja Vu will be just as, if not more thrilling. Who knows?

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How dare you vanquish the Steel Phantom without his consent? Fear the Phantom's Revenge.

Dont belive us? Well how about the LA Times? http://www.latimes.com/business/20001216/t000119930.html

Yeah so anyways. Back to talking about CEDAR POINT. If ya wanna talk about this SFMM stuff any longer than go to the site at the top of this thread. Also I think that the 4D looks ridiculous so what ya gonna do about it. Why don't we wait to say the "Super" Boomerang is bad until we ride it and wait to say that the 4D is great until we ride it cause even if most enthusiasts think the 4D is cool maybe a lot of the casual park goers will not, sooooo...

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GO SPARTANS!!! *** This post was edited by BCspartans on 12/16/2000. ***

To many (Source: other posts on GTTP) Guide to The Point visitors building a Boomerang at Cedar Point would be a bad idea. From a guests point of view it's not to appealing. No one will drive one hundred plus miles to ride it (which is why it is usually not built as a stand alone attraction). They also tend to make long, slow moving lines. From the parks point of view it causes long lines which cause vandalism (name scratching, gum sticking), they are slightly more expensive to maintain than full circuit coasters, and they do not attract large crowds. And Last, from an enthusiasts point of view they can be fun but lack in originality.

SFMM is a great park and two of there new coasters are great ideas and sound fun. However it would appear they didn't put much planning into it. Why on Earth would you build three attractions in the same year and have no long term plan? You could space those attractions out over several years and make twice the profit (Millennium Force, Son of Beast, Stealth). Or maybe they are just trying to attract a big crowd this year so they can attract some of the new Disney Park's guests. That doesn't seem to make sense either, though. Why not build one big attraction that will keep people coming for several years then to build a small set of rides that will loose there popularity after the first or second season. Disney's new park will continue to make money for several seasons and SFMM will have next to nothing to gain from it.

The SF parks in general have great rides and awesome layouts. They however lack good management and that is a bit sad.

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"Welcome back riders, how was your ride."

"All I can say is it's great to be back."

I still do not understand why any park adding 3 new roller coasters is a bad thing. If SFMM has a long term plan why would they tell anybody on this board about it anyway? All this whining is honestly starting make this thread sound more like a maternity ward.

Maybe SFMM could make more money by opening 3 coasters over 6 years, but in all seriousness, wouldn't the selfish coaster rider inside us all rather get them all at once? I thought we cared about riding coasters, not waiting for them.

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Only 2290½ miles from Cedar Po!nt *** This post was edited by Soggy on 12/16/2000. ***

I think this is just the begining of a LONG coaster war between CP and SFMM. The competition will be a roller coaster ride in its self!

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"Live tomorrow tomorrow, and today today." *** This post was edited by eggs on 12/16/2000. ***

Is this really the beginning, though? The following is a quote from a news article on this very site:

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It seems that Six Flags Magic Mountain public relations is pulling a Paramount's Kings Island maneuver on the ride-loving public. In a press release today, they had this to say:

"Despite an announcement last week by Cedar Point in Sandusky, Ohio, claiming to capture the roller coaster world record for height and speed, Six Flags Magic Mountain still dominates both categories with Superman The Escape -- the world's tallest and fastest coaster according to the Guinness Book of World Records."
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A few days later, this news article was posted to GTTP.

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Cedar Point Public Relations Manager Janice Lifke had this to say in response to the press release from Six Flags Magic Mountain:

"Cedar Point is taking the 'high road' and does not want to get into a desperate shouting match with Six Flags Magic Mountain about which park has the tallest roller coaster in the world. From our standpoint, it's quite simple: It is highly debatable in the amusement industry if Superman The Escape is indeed even a roller coaster. While I'm sure it is an incredible thrill ride, and for that matter, the tallest thrill ride in the world, we do not consider it to be a roller coaster.
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To see both articles, go here: http://www.guidetothepoint.com/thepoint/news/default.asp?search=six+flags+magic×pan=730

It seems to me like the wording was a little shaky on Cedar Point's end. They specifically said, "We do not consider it to be a roller coaster." To me, that basically blocks Cedar Point from adding a shuttle coaster and adding one to the count... without being a hypocrite, anyway. If SFMM's shuttle(s) aren't coaster(s), why would CP's be? Do you follow that?

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How dare you vanquish the Steel Phantom without his consent? Fear the Phantom's Revenge.

All I can say to that is I'm proud that CP is not a sore loser over records by scrounging for a "half-legitimate" one. If you took a survey over a lot of people and asked them to describe a "roller coaster", I doubt that many, if any characteristics of Superman would come up. I would hate to be backing a park who did things like this....

Maybe some of us CP fans are whiners about losing the record but what counts is the PARK'S attitude. I think CP has their act together when it comes to things like this and I'm proud of it.



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Trim brakes-a necessity???

I'll go one step further and say this, Jeff once commented that Cedar Fair wants all their parks to do well, and I believe that. So why do they have Boomerangs in two of their other parks if shuttles are not coasters. Those rides ARE counted as coasters in THOSE parks. We should stop letting marketing department determine what is and isn't fun. 14 coasters, 15 coasters, a zillion coasters, half coasters and whole coasters, isn't the only thing that matters is GOOD coasters? C'mon people, stop worrying about rides you'll never get on anyway. Cedar Point fans, your showing your butts again. We went through this with Goliath, Steel Dragon and SOB. Notice a trend of behavior here?

"If you took a survey over a lot of people and asked them to describe a 'roller coaster', I doubt that many, if any characteristics of Superman would come up."

I agree with that. Most people would say, "Yeah, you go up a chain lift that goes clickity-clack and then you go over a bunch of hills, sometimes through loops." However...

I guarantee that if you put a crowd of people in front of Superman: The Escape and asked, "What is this," most would say, "Why, it's a roller coaster, silly!"

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How dare you vanquish the Steel Phantom without his consent? Fear the Phantom's Revenge. *** This post was edited by Lynch on 12/16/2000. ***

Everybody that is getting in a shouting match, take some advice. As a wise man said in the last off-season *cough*Jeff*cough*, step away from the computer, go to the movies, and if worse comes to worse, go build a roller coaster in the snow.