Water Main Break

^^
Very eloquently put. Better than I have been trying to say. But, my point exactly.

From CP's FAQ page...
Cedar Point does not have a public address system, so please make sure all members of your party have a communication plan. We do have Lost Persons/Message Centers located in Kiddy Kingdom and at the Town Hall Museum in Frontiertown.
Perhaps it is time to put the capital into next years budget! Oh no, I just may have leaked what will be new for 2015!

As has been stated, they do have the ability to make announcements in the park. However, they do not make it available for public use. They probably just don't want people asking for little Jane Doe to meet her party by Gatekeeper. It's not the atmosphere they want in the park.

The true fanboy, where the park is unconditionally praised, is few and far between here. Ironically, Steve seems to have no problem being the opposite - someone who unconditionally criticizes the park - and does so while falsely labeling anyone who disagrees as a fanboy.

I truly enjoy PointBuzz and its members!I was in the park @9am. Maybe I missed(or ignored)some of the obvious signs of an issue(while getting a few rides in),because I was there to enjoy the day with my family & friends. There is a PA system, for use in situations like this.It's not clearly heard in all areas. I'm sure that's a issue to be handled by park officials, after other concerns are dealt with accordingly. Yes, I waited awhile in hopes it was a quick fix & to be more informed, but neither happened. After making our way to the front gate, tail end of angry mobs, we were constantly greeted by employees handing out water, and apologies! That's good PR. Guests were reimbursed. Some say they were also given additional tickets, after being reimbursed!I'm a CP fan & pass holder, and didn't get all that. It'd be nice, but it's not going to ruin my day either. I'd like to think members of this site are fans of Cedar Point and its fellow properties. CP suffers, we suffer. Policies will change, and so will we. After all-I'm sure none of us are owneres, Cedar Fair elected officials, or local politicians and appointed law enforcement!If by chance you are-my bad!Get along and lets get over all this and move on, and enjoy the season when we can!

ThePointGuru said:
Respectfully, this isn't just a theme park issue.

Only if you're trying to suit your lame argument. There is no volume of water and portable facilities to service 30,000 people at a moments notice. Anywhere. The health and fire departments would not let them keep the park open.

Get back to me when you work in the industry and acquire common sense.

Jeff said:

Get back to me when you work in the industry and acquire common sense.

But I've been running RCT3 for years now without water! LOL

I wonder if any of the posters saying CP should have stayed open ,or done this or that ,have ever had to deal with the catastrophic failure of an infrastructure system in real life.

I have, both as an engineer and member of an O.E.M. (Office of Emergency Management) Team.

If what I'm reading is correct, CP gets its potable water from a 16" main, that ruptured.

That's the same as an entire town losing water, not just a few blocks in a neighborhood.
You're talking about having no water for at least a day, possibly longer.
Until you can dig up the pipe, you have no idea as to the extent of the damage.

Redundancy sounds great, but no one wants to pay for it.
I don't even know if its possible to provide an alternate potable water supply to the park. That also is a discussion for another time and has nothing to do with how you handle what happened yesterday.

When that main ruptured ,CP lost its water supply, gone. Forget drinking, flushing etc. You've also lost the ability to fight a fire, including sprinkler systems.

The issue of using water for other then drinking is moot, until the pipe is fixed and water starts flowing again.
Boil water advisories are put in place, after a pipe is repaired and until the water line can be disinfected and tested for bacteria.

I can tell you that if we loose water service to an area we do close the schools. Restaurants also close.
I have no idea how a hotel could stay open if no one's toilet could flush and you can't take showers.

To me, given both health and safety concerns you loose your only source of potable water and you know its going to be for an extended period, you shut down.

I still want answers as to where Steve and his groupie would want Cedar Point to get a bunch of PortaPotties from on such short notice.

SuperStew..lots of good thoughts & ideas there! And IF, per your scenario, I choose to stay and rough it, that would make my day more interesting! And by chance,if anyone decided 'roughing' it wasn't working-they have a right to leave. Last I checked, I wasn't 'locked in/ down' once past the gate! I chose to buy a pass or daily tickets. I chose to put gas in my car. I chose to take vacation time and plan a visit(to anywhere)! How we utilize the venue is in our control-nobody else! We're not guaranteed anything beyond entry and the posted benefits, providing we're abiding bay park policies and local laws. That'd be a great event for CP to consider, and a great way to preserve resources! Just think-2 days of (adult only) operating major thrill rides & coasters only.Only select food stands and restrooms open through out the park in central locations! Entertainment could be reduced(line ques have enough already). AT dusk, lights out in many areas, while customers use provided commemorative flashlights. It could work. For those of us with young family-enjoy a break if you'd like, or can. To off-set cost, an additional fee, and registration for limited attendance may be required though. But a good idea!

rpbobcat said:
I wonder if any of the posters saying CP should have stayed open ,or done this or that ,have ever had to deal with the catastrophic failure of an infrastructure system in real life.

I have, both as an engineer and member of an O.E.M. (Office of Emergency Management) Team.

If what I'm reading is correct, CP gets its potable water from a 16" main, that ruptured.

That's the same as an entire town losing water, not just a few blocks in a neighborhood.
You're talking about having no water for at least a day, possibly longer.
Until you can dig up the pipe, you have no idea as to the extent of the damage.

Redundancy sounds great, but no one wants to pay for it.
I don't even know if its possible to provide an alternate potable water supply to the park. That also is a discussion for another time and has nothing to do with how you handle what happened yesterday.

When that main ruptured ,CP lost its water supply, gone. Forget drinking, flushing etc. You've also lost the ability to fight a fire, including sprinkler systems.

The issue of using water for other then drinking is moot, until the pipe is fixed and water starts flowing again.
Boil water advisories are put in place, after a pipe is repaired and until the water line can be disinfected and tested for bacteria.

I can tell you that if we loose water service to an area we do close the schools. Restaurants also close.
I have no idea how a hotel could stay open if no one's toilet could flush and you can't take showers.

To me, given both health and safety concerns you loose your only source of potable water and you know its going to be for an extended period, you shut down.

Earlier today I meant to post that I love listening to everyone's brilliant ideas.. the internet makes everyone an expert at everything. Thank you for taking the time to post at least your personal knowledge on this issue as it actually appears that you have some credentials!

I don't see why having no water is an issue. Cedar Point is surrounded by water.

Have to pee or poop? Use the lake.
Wash your hands? Use the lake.
Thirsty? Use the lake.
Feeling dirty, need a shower? Use the lake.
Building/Structure fire? Form a line and pass a bucket from the lake to the fire.

So simple. The park closed for no reason. Clearly, some higher up employees just wanted a few days off.

They don't care about the guests and their vacations!

We should boycott!!!1!!

;) (Hopefully this wink wasn't needed, but you can never be sure)

They could just get rid of all the bathrooms for porta potties... Would solve the 'where to get them' problem.

Edit:

Detroit Basketball said:
Thirsty? Go to the Trail Tavern.

Fixed. Went there during Coastermania and it was really nice. Was the first time it opened too. Will most likely get another draft each visit later.

That lake water is nastier than anything in the bathrooms already. And they let people swim in it too!

SteveH said:
That lake water is nastier than anything in the bathrooms already. And they let people swim in it too!

They also have showers to rinse off after! oh wait...

ThePointGuru said:

SteveH said:
The issue is that no matter what it is (people stuck on Windseeker for hours a few years ago, a huge traffic jam on Columbus Day, or a broken water main) the park is never at fault.

I am so thankful there is at least one other poster here that makes sense and doesn't let other fan boys enthusiasm for the park cloud real issues of poor judgment and mismanagement by park management.

Well, we have Larry and Curly, anyone see Moe?

You guys are clueless and I actually feel embarrassed for you as I read your comments. High Schools do close if they have no water, no sane restaurateur would operate any type of permanent restaurant without water, no public venue would allow guests in without working sanitary facilities and Cedar Point won't operate the park if they can't ensure the health and safety of park guests. No idiotic scheme of bringing in hundreds of port-o-poties at the last minute will change that. Do you think they will say something like "we can get you on Millenium Force but we can't offer you anything to eat or drink, if you need the restroom you may be able to find an out house and if anything catches fire just run into the lake because we won't be able to put it out"?

No, the park was not "completely Unprepared", they did the only thing that was possible to do and I think they handled the situation very well.

SteveH said:
That lake water is nastier than anything in the bathrooms already. And they let people swim in it too!

In addition to being clueless on how to run an amusement park you are also clueless about Lake Erie.

SteveH said:
From CP's FAQ page...
Cedar Point does not have a public address system...

SteveH, they DO have the ability to make mass announcements if needed as they do. As recorded in this video from 2012 such a system is heard throughout the park after a storm passed through the area. http://youtu.be/Zu5oYkGZK7g QSC covers the system specs on their website at http://qsc.com/media-and-events/news/cedar-point-amusement-park-exp...uture-qsc/ ""There are 10 racks distributed around the midway area and each has a Q-Sys I/O Frame and Layer 3 switch, plus a variety of amplifiers," says Choucroun. The system is additionally available for public safety announcements. WPS also installed a Q-Sys PS-1600 16-button networked page station in the park's Security Office."

If I recall correctly, this system upgrade was added to make them complaint with Storm Ready which they achieved in 2012. One of the only public venues in the state to be Storm Ready certified! Kings Island isn't certified and they are part of the Cedar Fair family!

The FAQ page is simply stating have means in place to communicate or meet up with all members of your party. This isn't like the Canfield Fair here in Mahoning County where they announce to little Timmy to go meet mommy at the big rooster in front of the grandstand. They have mass communication systems in place which over rides park music when needed. Quit posting false information when a 2 second Google search provides you with all sorts of info proving you wrong.

Why is it some posters, who shall remain nameless, try so hard to make us think they are brilliant and know all the answers? When in fact they prove how ignorant they are every time they open their mouth, or in this case type a sentence.

PointGuru, you sound like the poster who was once banned from this forum. Jeff and Walt should do us a favor and check their list of banned posters.

SteveH, if you ever posted something positive, especially about Cedar Point, the internet would explode.

Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?