Vertical Construction Has Begun!

From an enthusiast's standpoint, Intamin makes better coasters overall because of how they push the limits. However, that comes at a very big cost. Look at Cedar Fair's Intamin insallations since 2007.

Maverick: Four sections of track had to be replaced due to extreme forces.

Shoot-the-Rapids: Opened one and a half month late because the boats were too big. And the big daddy of them all:

I-305: What didn't go wrong on this ride. The trains chewed through wheels daily, the restraints were very poor, and they had to replace several pieces of track the next winter.

B&M, however, stay in there comfort zone and personally I feel they have a better quality product from the parks perspective. Do the parks want a world-class ride that has reliability issues daily, or do they want a great ride that might have 10 minutes of downtime in a season?

I thought there was only one section that had to be replaced on Maverick.

SSL488 said:
I thought there was only one section that had to be replaced on Maverick.

It was one element, the heartline roll. It was made up of three 40-foot sections of track.

Maverick00 said:
I think a lot of parks in North Ameica have moved on from Intamin. There was one Intamin coaster last year and so far none this year. Lots of "somewhat" new manufacturers such as Zierer, Mack and Premier are making their way in.

To be fair though, B&M has only one confirmed project in the US this year, and 2 internationally. Intamin has at least 5 internationally. In general, it seems to be a small year for roller coasters in the US.

I love my Intamins but B&M packs a punch with their rides too. Domintor and Kumba are my 2 personal favorites :)

The thing with Intamins are that they build rides that are basically "before their time". For example, using LIMs and LSMs are a crazy engineering technique along with the power supply for them. Intamin also uses so many new features that require additional safety features. Whenever even a single safety feature is not sensed by the ride computers, they go down. Which is a good thing, knowing that the ride won't operate when something is going wrong, but that's what seperates the downtime from Intamin and B&M. Intamins are also very restricting when it coms to operation as well. But I won't even go there.

B&M shows us that you can have a different ride experience without being fancy. Simple track and lift hill, but provides a unique ride depending which way the track is flipped or what trains are being used. And for that, I'm thankful for a new B&M this year and have high hopes.

coolkid said:

Maverick00 said:
I think a lot of parks in North Ameica have moved on from Intamin. There was one Intamin coaster last year and so far none this year. Lots of "somewhat" new manufacturers such as Zierer, Mack and Premier are making their way in.

To be fair though, B&M has only one confirmed project in the US this year, and 2 internationally. Intamin has at least 5 internationally. In general, it seems to be a small year for roller coasters in the US.

GateKeeper
Gold Striker
Full Throttle
Coast Rider
Undertow
Iron Rattler
Hades 360
Outlaw Run

Even though they may not be high in numbers, 2013 promises some high-quality coasters.

Now don't anybody forget about Boomerang at Six Flags St. Louis :)

What's "new" about a coaster that's been cloned dozens of times within the last 3 decades? But if Six Fails says it's new, then it must be! ;)

On Topic: Any word on how high the immelmann will be? Surely a top 10 contender for inversion height.

Maverick00 said:
Now don't anybody forget about Boomerang at Six Flags St. Louis :)

How could anyone forget that beauty? :)

Cedar King said:
GateKeeper
Gold Striker
Full Throttle
Coast Rider
Undertow
Iron Rattler
Hades 360
Outlaw Run

Even though they may not be high in numbers, 2013 promises some high-quality coasters.

Coast Rider and Undertow are wild mouse rides. Don't get me wrong they are fun rides, but high quality is probably an overstatement. In my opinion, GateKeeper, Full Throttle, and Outlaw Run are the only *new* roller coasters that really are world class.

IMO Intamin makes superior rides to B&M when it comes to thrills and excitement. However I can see why B&M's are popular. I still won't be completely happy until CP gets something like El Toro at SFGA. Words can't even describe how amazing and intense that coaster is.

Cedar King said:
What's "new" about a coaster that's been cloned dozens of times within the last 3 decades? But if Six Fails says it's new, then it must be! ;)

On Topic: Any word on how high the immelmann will be? Surely a top 10 contender for inversion height.

It may be, but I'm sure the first inversion will be higher ;)

Cedar King said:

On Topic: Any word on how high the immelmann will be? Surely a top 10 contender for inversion height.

I never thought about that. The Wing Over will be the highest inversion but I could easily see the Immelmann being in the Top 10 too.

coolkid said:
Coast Rider and Undertow are wild mouse rides. Don't get me wrong they are fun rides, but high quality is probably an overstatement. In my opinion, GateKeeper, Full Throttle, and Outlaw Run are the only *new* roller coasters that really are world class.

Well after reading other non Cedar Point bias forums, the top 3 coasters for most people are GateKeeper, Outlaw Run and Iron Rattler.

coolkid said:
In my opinion, GateKeeper, Full Throttle, and Outlaw Run are the only *new* roller coasters that really are world class.

How's the weather in 2013?

Haha I want a time machine :) Too bad you already rode gatekeeper, just don't spoil it for us who haven't ridden it yet :)

So there is another webcam...

http://youtube.com/#/watch?index=1&list=UUyR9C6ocv0yTbn6YDWDZbAQ&fe...ure%3Dplcp

The two Coaster Twistedwicker listed on your list are good rides but also built back 10 15 years ago if not longer, when they made rides with more force then they do now. they way i look at it people are going to come ride a new ride no matter what. but if its is a top five ride the word will travel much faster then. just a new coaster. my.02

With all that said i still can't wait to ride this ride

I'm not sure that means that there is another webcam. They simply could have just set up a camera on a tripod for a few hours.

If it from a webcam, sweet. Can't wait till it goes live online.

dose not look like that are doing at much lift hill work today.

Random thought, does anyone know the procedure for making a crane lift. Meaning, we want to get three supports up and two track pieces up today, lets say. Weather, wind, personal, all have a factor of whether the lift is going to happen, correct. So, could the pieces be ready to go, but circumstances didn't allow that to happen today. I know I am not clear on my question, because I don't know all that is involved to making the lift happen. I was just wondering, how, when, who decides, the lift timeline type of thing. It seems like pretty serious stuff, looking at the photos.

^ That would all be a factor. Normally you can't make a lift when the wind is >25 mph. With a bigger crane and lifting to higher elevations you're probably thinking even less wind. Under perfect conditions you can get a lot done in a relatively short amount of time, but perfect conditions don't come around too often.