Update: July 26

Actually, it was determined without logic that the piece belongs to a LIM launch section. Since the image used to "determine" this is a fully assembled piece of launch track from California Screamin, it doesn't closely show what the track looks like without LIMs attached to it. Since we don't know what that track looks like without LIM's we can't say for sure that it will support LIM's.

No, but it is assumed that that is what it will be for and not some, "Uber-ultra-new-splashdown-thingy" like everyone else is thinking. And it is impossible to show the top of California Screamin' without using one of the vast POVs from the internet as it is against posting policy, but there are numerous POVs of it on YouTube if anyone wants to see if they can check out the track. I'm hoping that this has an inclined launch like The Hulk if it has a launch as that is one of my favorite coasters due to the launch. I could very well see that happening and then going into the turn where the very large footers are doing some sort of an inversion or turn. If it's not launched, then I still believe that some sort of hill will be in that location since it's right out of the station and is also where some of the largest footers are.

Well, I'm going to go try to see if I can find a picture or something of that piece of track on California Screamin'.

Except that Disney allows on-ride photography (just not flash photography) so it is not against park policy, therefore not against this sites policy to post on-ride pictures from their parks. (just giving you a hard time:)).

I DID however find one picture from the end of CS's launch section that seems to show a piece of track similar to that which people say is for a launch.

It can be found here. Its not conclusive evidence that P2007 will be a launch, but it is starting to look that way.

Jugga, there are other photos of that same section in higher quality over in the July 25th update thread showing how the pieces used in the launch are bolted down in the center and other pieces are attatched in the holes to the sides. Also, there is a picture showing a straight piece of track like this sitting in the staging area for Project '07 which strengthens my belief that this will have a LIM or LSM launch, which would also explain the 600 sq foot building that goes with the new coaster and would be a great addition to the park because there isn't one (besides Wicked Twister) in the park and it adds to the ride experience. Anymore, people want as many thrills as they can get in a 2-3 minute ride, and a launch is a great way to keep interest throughout the entire layout.

But its not straight (at least not vertically straight). There is a bend to it.

http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=4556

Granted it does not turn side to side but it does have an up/down curve to it.

I didn't feel like digging for the ones in the July 25th thread. And the one I did see (though higher quality) was from farther up in the launch, where the LIMs still are. This one was from where the LIMs had already ended.

I was really hoping against a launch coaster because a traditional (whether chain, cable, LIM or wheel) lift hill provides something that a launch can't - anticipation. That 60 second ride to just 200 feet is great because of the anticipation. The 13 second ride to 310 feet is great because of the anticipation. The best part about the Turbo Drop side of Power Tower is the anticipation as you slowly rise to the top of the ride.

Launches only provide a few seconds of that. And while they are fun (WT is my 3rd favorite ride in the park) I'm hoping the new ride utilizes a traditional lift hill, even if they use LIMs to get you to the top.

JuggaLotus said:

I'm hoping the new ride utilizes a traditional lift hill, even if they use LIMs to get you to the top.

Thats kinda what that piece looks like, the top of a hill with LIM mounts.
*** Edited 7/28/2006 7:32:59 PM UTC by j2k95sunfire***

j2k95sunfire said:
But its not straight (at least not vertically straight). There is a bend to it.

http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=4556

Granted it does not turn side to side but it does have an up/down curve to it.

Sorry, I was reffering to this picture: http://www.pointpixels.com/4images/details.php?image_id=6246 pasted on page 4, which is straight. I also believe that the other piece is straight as well and due to the lighting on the piece, it creates an optical illusion to make it look like it's curved.

In responce to Jugga's post, the LIM and LSM launches also provide anticipation, just not as much as a traditional lift would. I'm hoping that if there is a launch though, that it will be done like The Hulk where there is movement and then the launch, which to the GP adds quite a bit of anticipation. Either that or hopefully it'll be a random launch, somewhat like the launch up side of Power Tower where the launch randomly occurs.
*** Edited 7/28/2006 7:35:21 PM UTC by DorneyParkFan***

hey dorney - try being a little less rude next time, eh??

i know that people had talked about a splash-down in the swan pond. but, i didn't really give much cred to those because the top of the footings was obviously above water.

we were talking about the footings on the other side of the site in this thread. no one had mentioned a splash-down on THIS particular section of the ride. that's what i meant.

but, thanks for picking apart a compliment i gave someone and criticizing me for it. that was real nice.

CP always says that it likes to stay in line with the new technology and what's "hot" at the time. Hate to say it, but launch coasters are it. Take a look at what kind of major coasters parks put in over the past three years. There are one or two B&M's and wooden coasters, the rest are rocket coasters. While the technology isn't as reliable as a standard coaster, the crowd seems to love this new breed of coasters.

halltd said:
hey dorney - try being a little less rude next time, eh??

i know that people had talked about a splash-down in the swan pond. but, i didn't really give much cred to those because the top of the footings was obviously above water.

we were talking about the footings on the other side of the site in this thread. no one had mentioned a splash-down on THIS particular section of the ride. that's what i meant.

but, thanks for picking apart a compliment i gave someone and criticizing me for it. that was real nice.

Sorry, I'm not really trying to criticize so much as I think everyone on these forums is sick of hearing the same things go round and round and round and then people randomly joining and posting what everyone already knows about the ride or suspects will be in the ride. I'm not saying that I wouldn't like to see a splashdown, just that at that spot it seems somewhat impractical. I'm sorry if you took what I said as directed only at you, but moreso I was just annoyed to hear the same thing again and again and again.

I agree with you somewhat about the same thing over and over again. But, this was a specific post about specific footings. It wasn't a comment like "OMG its going to be a dual launched flyer with a 500' hill" comment. It was a somewhat thoughtful comment on what he was looking at on-site.

Overall though, I agree. I try to only make "educated" guesses based on what I'm seeing on-site, what I've seen on other coasters, and what I know about construction. To just randomly through out the height of the coaster without having some sort of evidence is just ridiculous.

From what I'm gathering here, this new piece of speculation (literally) is slated to be at the end of a launch track? I didn't think there were any specific pieces after a launch, unless this kind of thing is specific to LIM-style launches.

Everyone knows this coaster is being made by Intamin AG. Intamin AG have been mostly building Hydraulic Launch coasters. Also, the two other coasters that they are currently constructing have been 4th demintion coasters. This coaster will be a lunch coaster and also a forth demintion coaster. I think that it will use the same launch system as The Hulk. This also involves all of the slogans printed on the signs surrounding the construction.

Any takers?

j_webb_1 said:
Everyone knows this coaster is being made by Intamin AG. Intamin AG have been mostly building Hydraulic Launch coasters. Also, the two other coasters that they are currently constructing have been 4th demintion coasters. This coaster will be a lunch coaster and also a forth demintion coaster. I think that it will use the same launch system as The Hulk. This also involves all of the slogans printed on the signs surrounding the construction.

Any takers?

Nice idea, I'm completely for it, but I don't really see Cedar Point putting in another prototype as complicated as a 4-D next year. Yes, it is a whole new direction etc, but I think that if any "different style" trains were to be used in Project '07, they'd be the wingwalkers because they aren't nearly as complicated as the 4-D's since they don't move at all and in this case would be a great addition with all of the very low overbanked turns.

j_webb_1 said:
Everyone knows this coaster is being made by Intamin AG. Intamin AG have been mostly building Hydraulic Launch coasters. Also, the two other coasters that they are currently constructing have been 4th demintion coasters. This coaster will be a lunch coaster and also a forth demintion coaster. I think that it will use the same launch system as The Hulk. This also involves all of the slogans printed on the signs surrounding the construction.

Any takers?

Well, kinda. I'll take the idea, but not the reasoning. To say that this IS what is happening because Intamin is building 4Ds and "lunch" coasters lately is strange at best.

A couple years ago, Intamin had never built a TTD/KA type ride before and boom, look what we got. Before MF, no one had seen a 45 degree 'sled-lift' (not to mention a 300ft coaster) and look what we got. I think it's a bit over-zealous to say what a park is getting with certainty by what the manufacturer is already building, ESPECIALLY CP.

Cedar Point innovates and pushes envelopes. Heck, half the time, CP destroys envelopes and buries the remains. I could see a launched "4D" type ride coming in, but I could just as easily see something we've never heard of or just an awesome sitdown looper.

my $.02

I appreciate your input.