The Intamin Diet

Not quite. He's made my argument for me, but he hasn't bothered to read his sources, so he doesn't realize it yet. Once he does, then you'll be right.

JuggaLotus said:
And what you aren't seeing, is that it is not the lack of meat, but the increased fruit and vegetable consumption. Which would be healthier regardless of if your protein was from beans or a cow.

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Uh oh John. You're making sense. ;)

one your not seeing jugga, is yes, that does contribute to vegetarians being healthier but is NOT the main reason for them being healthier. you seem to be ignoring the part of cholesterol, high fat content, and sodium.

Vegetarians are healthier than people who eat meat. It's a fact.Scientific studies show that.....

Scientific studies also show that "magic diet pills" are effective. Scientific studies also showed that Airborne "helped" with colds. Scientific studies have shown that putting pads on the bottom of your feet to remove "toxins" is and effective means of "detoxifying" your body.

Again, I'm not saying that vegetarianism or veganism is wrong, in fact, I eat a lot more natural type foods than I let on when it comes to nuts, berries, veggies, oats etc. I still eat meat though, sometimes a lot of it - but you can't tell me that my vegan friend, who is 60 lbs overweight, is at less risk of heart disease than me, at 6' 0" 185 lbs.

how over weight was your friend before he/she became a vegetarian? Airborne does help with colds, it contains large amounts of vitamin C that help reduce the severity of a cold. and ive never heard of the pad on your feet thing so that doesnt count.

You seem to be ignoring the part of cholesterol, high fat content, and sodium.

Barring certain genetic backgrounds, sodium is FAR from the worst thing for the human body. It's obviously not great for you, but in the amount that it is found in meat, I don't think that qualifies. Hell, some vegetarian/vegan soups I've tried, have had far more sodium than your average chicken breast, and you tell me that my diet contains an unhealthy amount of sodium?

Second, "high" fat content? You do realize that they offer healthier choices in meat at the store, right?

Ground beef comes with fat contents as low as 6-7%, most of which drains right off on the grill if that's how you choose to cook it. Besides, a little bit of dietary fat (unsaturated and not trans fats, etc.).

Poultry? up to 98% fat free - how is that a "high fat content"? (a turkey burger contains 85mg of sodium, I don't see how that is high at all)

Fish? 4 ounces of Tilapia contains 1 gram of fat, 0 of that is saturated or "trans" (also contains only 40mg of sodium). Again, I fail to see your argument.

What is there to ignore? These all fall well within or below any and all guidelines I have seen for nutrition.

Airborne does help with colds, it contains large amounts of vitamin C that help reduce the severity of a cold.

Apparently, the US District Court seems to disagree with that statement.

http://www.airbornehealthsettlement.com/

I'm not denying that the vitamin C helps, but Airborne apparently doesn't do what it (used to say) it does..

I wish I remember where I saw it, but I read an article on teens and college students who were "vegetarian" that were essentially using the salad bar as a different form of junk food. Taking meat out of your diet does not mean you're suddenly eating right.

Years after I stopped eating red meat, my sodium was dead center of normal but my cholesterol was at the high end of normal, actually a few points over. My diet had nothing to do with it... I wasn't getting adequate exercise and I was eating far too much junk carbohydrate, throwing my whole lipid panel out of whack. Now with a higher fiber intake and more exercise, it's fine. If I'd balance out my diet with more vegetables and less starch, I'd probably drop it even more. Regardless, meat is not the enemy, even if I do restrict it to poultry. It never was. That's right off my Cleveland Clinic test results. Stick that in your celery and smoke it.

The truth is that perfectly healthy people who eat meat in the right proportions have exactly the normal levels of various substances you should worry about.

e x i t english said:

Airborne does help with colds, it contains large amounts of vitamin C that help reduce the severity of a cold.

Apparently, the US District Court seems to disagree with that statement.

http://www.airbornehealthsettlement.com/

I'm not denying that the vitamin C helps, but Airborne apparently doesn't do what it (used to say) it does..

This is a completely different topic in of itself. Remember that, in the United States, the FDA works closely with drug companies. The long and the short of it is, it's essentially illegal to make any statements that would lead to inferences that, or state that, anything that's not a medicinal drug can promote healing for disease, etc., in any way, which is where I understand much of that lawsuit stems from.

^ From what I understand, the claim they made was only the tip of the iceberg. I guess they then found out that their "scientific testing" was conducted in a house on the corner or something of the sort. I also remember reading that it was not actually invented by a school teacher, but they decided to find one and go that way with it.

All I was getting at, is that "scientific evidence" isn't always the end all.

Hey, I just saw you're ATL of MF this year - grats,

Ahh, apparently there's more to it than I'd heard. I've only heard bits and pieces of the entire thing.

...and thanks, Josh! :)

bholcomb said:
Uh oh John. You're making sense. ;)

Yeah it happens from time to time.

Scientific studies also show that "magic diet pills" are effective. Scientific studies also showed that Airborne "helped" with colds. Scientific studies have shown that putting pads on the bottom of your feet to remove "toxins" is and effective means of "detoxifying" your body.

so what are you saying here? all scientific studys that are donew are a load of crap? i hope thats not what your saying because all of our lives would be in great jepordy.

also, it doesnt matter how the vegetarian diet is healthier. Ive answered your questions and proved you wrong by showing you that the vegetarian diet is healthier. it doesn matter why or how, it just is.

Well the why and how does matter. If you provide incorrect why and how, you have proved nothing.

If you tell me the Earth is flat, and provide no why and how, then I laugh at you and provide the why and how the Earth is round. Sounds kinda like the discussion we've had.

You make statement, make up facts, have those facts PROVEN wrong, and then try to say we are wrong because it just is. "It just is", is not a winning argument, it is the argument of those who can't see that they have lost.

how have i not proved my statements true by showing you those articles???
They specifically say that a vegetarian diet is healthier than that of an average person. I said the vegetarian diet is healthier. you said prove it and i did. what more is there to it?

It is not inherently healthier though. It is because vegetarians are getting more than their RDS of fruits and vegetables...something that someone can do without being a vegetarian.

So you have proved nothing.

cpfanatic2006 said:
they are also healthier because of the animal fats they arent consuming along with the cholesterol and high amounts of sodium.

However, it is possible to get meat that is low in fat, cholesterol and high amounts of sodium.

Again, you proved nothing.

I read your articles, and all of them pointed to the same conclusion, vegetarians are healthier because they have a better diet (i.e., they are getting more of what they need and tend to not smoke, drink or eat junk food), it has nothing do with them having Tofurkey in November instead of a real turkey.

You probably won't read these, since all you will do is quote and say something like "well, my articles are better.", but I simply brought up the ol' temple of Google and found you some articles, since that's the game you want to play.

http://tinyurl.com/327m67

http://tinyurl.com/3dsaz7

I could go on and on, but why bother?

The main moral of the story here is moderation. So long as you wisely choose your foods, and eat somewhat health consciously, it doesn't matter whether you eat meat or not. All of the veg/vegan supporters will tell you otherwise, and all of the other side will tell you otherwise as well.

It's all about balance. Believe it or not, you know in your deepest, inner thought process which foods are right for you, and which are not. It's not something that jumps up and grabs you, but if you have to think about it, it's probably a bad choice and you should stay away from it.

No matter which way you're eating, it is best to try and get foods in their most natural form. For instance, Peanuts. Great for you, until you grind them up, bubble hydrogen through them to partially or fully hydrogenate the oils, then you have a saturated fat disaster. Sure, Jif/Skippy/Reeses taste great, but natural PB is way more the way to go.

There's plenty of other "processed" foods, I could list them all day - but again, you just have to trust you, well, gut.

-Josh

this argument is going in circles because you refuse to believe the facts i have shown you. im done. all you veterans on this forum act like you are god when it comes to new comers. You feel brave typing from behind your computer desk. Have you ever seen that show real world-road rules challenge, rookies vs veterans? the veterans walk around like they are the **** and that they rule the world. but in reality they are pieces of crap that thing they are cool and think they are good at something so small and pitiful in life. now if you excuse me, i have a real job to do. and no, its not updating my blog every time i feel an emotion swing through me.

LOL. Look who is talking about not believing facts, etc.

I've even said it myself that there's nothing wrong with it, but now that you compare us to a show on MTV, I'm inclined to dismiss everything you've said.

It's nice that you have a "real job" to do, because you can't post on the internet while dropping fries into hot grease. (throwback to Halloweekends, holla) - Sorry, pal - I'm sitting at work right now, getting paid to argue with a 15 year old.

Again, you failed to see what I said about moderation, etc... because all you want from me is to say "by golly, you're right!" - but I'm not going to do that, and it's not because I "think I'm the s---", or because I'm a "Veteran". I am this way because I'm as healthy as I can be, yet I still eat meat in moderation, and you aren't going to prove me otherwise.

Come mid- CP Season , I will hopefully have dropped to my lowest bodyfat percentage ever (below 10% yay!), all from eating lean meats, poultry, fish, eggs, etc.. I look healthy, I am healthy, my cholesterol is normal, blood pressure is low, resting heart rate is 54. I guess I'm knocking on death's door aren't I?

I agree about the way animals are brought to slaughter, and I can't stand that. That's the #1 reason why I spend the extra cash and get free range meats when possible, and buy from places that treat their animals better.

I guess I should mention that for all intents, I follow a mostly vegetarian-style diet. I'm not huge on red meats, unless it's Jerky and sometimes a steak or burger, but definitely not every single day. I still eat chicken, eggs, and fish, though I'm kind of burnt out on them right now because I've been eating the same strict diet for a couple of months.

Josh