The Intamin Diet

Well, I've known a few vegetarians (not the least is my aunt who has been doing it right for 30 years or so). One of my friends did it wrong. She just didn't eat meat, but that doesn't do it. Your body gets vital nutrients from meat, just removing that from your diet will cause many problems. These nutrients ARE available from plants, but you need to do your research AND make sure to eat enough of those plants.

It is neither simple nor easy, and actually requires a great deal of discipline. Proper exercise and portion control are far more important to a well balanced life-style than whether you find eating meat cruel.

I'm not overlooking anything. You're the one equating vegetarianism with better health, and there is no correlation.

Stop dodging the question. You said vegetarianism is healthier. Everyone saw you do it. Several people called you on it. Don't try to make it about some cosmic non-comprehension of your point or bully personalities.

jeff, i have answered that question many times. numerous studies have found that vegetarians in general are healthier than the average person. take some time and look it up. you'll find it

Then why don't you link to these numerous studies?

Second, could it be, not because they have eschewed meat, but because they are more conscious of what they are eating? Something that can be and is done with a diet containing meat.

I dont have to take the time to go ahead and link it you because i know they are there. you can take the time yourself to find it. i did. and no, its not because they are watching what they eat in general, the amount of cholesterol and fats and sodium in meat is enough to make a person healthier when they stop eating it.

Joey Stewart said:

mickewing22 said:
But this is only like my 5th post so what do I know?

Just because it's only your 5th post ever, doesn't mean you know nothing. :) Some people who lurk about the shadows know an awful lot but chose not to jump in untill the perfect time.

Yeah, I've been here for about 5 years lol.

cpfanatic is said earlier that vegetarians are generally healthier and said that your former wife was a dietition and a vegetarian. That kind of implies that she knew what she was doing so why do you keep saying that it works only if you do it right? It's not lookin too good to assume anything you say on here or it could possibly be taken out of context to make it look like someones point was already made by their "enemy". Or did I already say that would happen?

I also eat plenty of meat a day, so I'm not really siding with anyone, just tryin to give a semi-neutral outlook on the situation :)

^^ - I'm not going to do your homework for you. Do you tell your teachers that the sources for your paper are out there, they just need to do the research themselves?

You have no basis for your argument. Just because you don't eat meat, doesn't by default make you healthier, better or morally superior. A person can be just as healthy with a diet that includes meat (and the right kinds of meat) as one who doesn't eat meat or dairy but gets the appropriate dietary needs from plant matter.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0512-03.htm

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pagerender.fcgi?artid=1022501&pageindex=1

http://www.vegetarian-diet.info/vegetarian-eating-healthier.htm

Vegetarians are healthier than people who eat meat. It's a fact.Scientific studies show that vegetarians suffer much less fromillnesses like cancer, heart disease, high blood pressure and othercommon health problems. A major study reported in the British MedicalJournal in 1994 found that, of 5000 meat-eaters and 6000 non-meateaters, vegetarians had 40% less risk of cancer and 30% less risk ofheart disease than the meat-eaters and were 20% less likely to die ofany cause (Oxford Vegetarian Study). A US study of 50,000 vegetariansshowed a very low rate of cancer (Seventh Day Adventist Study, Massachusetts's). It has been estimated that by following a low-fatvegetarian diet, the risk of food poisoning is decreased by 80%. Moreevidence of the benefits of a vegetarian diet is being found each year.

^Touche' anyone?

You do the work cpfanatic, I'll talk the trash lol.

P.S. To all vegetarians: go crazy and try meat every once in awhile... it's delicious! :) Don't start eating it unhealthily though. NO VEGAN LEFT BEHIND!

Is it not also possible that the vegetarians generally don't eat as much fast food and therefore avoid the unhealthy aspects of a diet containing meat?

That seems to be the point of article A - vegetarians get a more rounded diet, not because they are vegetarians, but because they are a bit more conscious of their diet (the two are not tied together). As someone pointed out, a "vegetarian" could be just as unhealthy as someone who is not, by eating McDonalds fries, kool-aid loaded with sugar, lots of peanuts (high in fat), and preserved foods. Being a vegetarian on its own is not the reason they are healthier, it is their conscientiousness (something that can be done with meat in the diet) that causes them to be healthier, and 2 of your articles point this out.

I could (and should) very easily include more servings of fruit and vegetables in my diet. That doesn't mean the steak I have for dinner suddenly makes my diet less healthy.

lol what are you trying to say? vegetarians eat those things because they have too. that is where they get all of there vitamins. that is why there diet is healthier because they have to eat those kinds of things!

If you are a real vegetarian, you know what you need to eat and will in return do it right, possible making you healthier. If you just don't eat meat because it's "bad for animals" (I don't condone animal violence) and remain oblivious to the diet you should be on, you are a hippie.

Actually, your articles already said what I am saying:

The greater consumption of fruits and vegetables usually associated with a vegetarian diet represents a major health benefit because of the vitamins, minerals, cancer-fighting phytochemicals and dietary fiber they supply. Although average U.S. consumption still hasn’t met the recommended minimum of five daily servings, many vegetarians get well beyond it.

Its not the lack of meat that is healthier, it is that they are more likely to eat the recommended daily servings of fruits and vegetables. Something that would help all people, regardless of the tofu main course, or the t-bone.

you are stillllll missing the entire point. yes it is because they eat more of those thing. but its also because they have too! they have no choice which in turn, makes their diet healthier. but youve also left out stuff from the other articles that say they are also healthier because of the animal fats they arent consuming along with the cholesterol and high amounts of sodium. everyone on here disagreeing with me just doesnt want to believe that their lifestyle probably isn't the best for them. that and they dont want to believe what happens to the animals. and in reality all that cruel **** does happen.

And what you aren't seeing, is that it is not the lack of meat, but the increased fruit and vegetable consumption. Which would be healthier regardless of if your protein was from beans or a cow.

And I can tell you that no deer I've eaten has ever died a cruel death.

yet again you ignore that part in there where i say the fats and cholesterol and sodium from the meat is un healthy!!! I realize that vegetarians eating more fruits and veggies is one of the things that makes them healthier, but not comsuming all of the things in meat is one of the main reasons why they are healthier! I showed you link and showed you facts. thats all there is to it. you have no more argument. your making pathetic excuses.

and by the way, of course no deer you have ever eaten has never lived a cruel life or died a cruel death. It wasnt raised in some giant beef factory and chicken farm! it was born and raised in the wild! im not sure what your getting at by bring a wild animal into this picture. Something being raised in the wild is not the same as 20,000 chickens being stuffed into one holding area and their beaks being cut off so they dont peck eachother to death.

I'd attach an audio file reading it to you, but I guess quoting it will have to suffice.

Fewer vegetarians than meat-eaters are overweight. That doesn’t mean avoiding meat is the key to weight control, though. With or without meat, filling up on fruits and vegetables instead of sweets, high-fat snack foods, high-sugar drinks and alcohol make weight control easier.

One of the major heart-related benefits of vegetarian eating is probably the low level of cholesterol-raising saturated fat in these diets, but this doesn’t mean completely omitting meat from the diet is necessary for good health. Foods like fish, skinless poultry and even lean red meats don’t add much saturated fat, as long as portions are kept moderate.

what dies that prove??

Well, since you are having trouble understanding your own sources:

Vegetarianism is not healthier because it lacks meat, but because it includes more than the RDS of fruits and vegetables....something EVERYONE would be healthier if they were to do.

JuggaLotus said:
Actually, your articles already said what I am saying:

I'm pretty sure everything that i said would happen has happened now that this statement has been made.

And Congratulations to everyone on this topic that has/is losing weight to become fit and to ride all those rides we love!