Son Of Beast to be removed.

Plus it was poorly built, which added to the problems. I think that factored into their decision to not give it some sort of overhaul

So, is this the first time that a moden record-holding coaster has been removed prior to its records being eclipsed?

Thats a very interesting question Break Trims.

djDaemon said:
I gave MS one last chance a few years ago, and regretted it greatly.

So, you gave it one last shot when the ride was near its peak roughness? :)

You have always pushed here how people shouldn't form judgement or opinions without seeing or experiencing something first hand. So, if you haven't ridden MS this year, then you shouldn't pick and choose opinions that the ride is as rough as it has always been.

Beast and MS are night and day improved over 2 years ago in my opinion, as well as others. So, I hereby give you no right to make any posts about its roughness being the same this year. ;) Feel free to hate on the layout.

I'm of the same opinion as DJ. I last rode it a few years ago, and it hurt enough that it won't matter how much they rework it, I'm not taking the chance of being sore the rest of the day to find out.

Same reason I won't eat at that buffet crap hole at the front of the park.

Burn someone enough times, and it won't matter what improvements you make, you've lost them.

Ride On_17 said:
Back on topic, what exactly was wrong with SOB?

The question isn't what was wrong with SOB, the question is what wasn't wrong with SOB...

Jugga, dj, I'll echo Ffej's opinion that MS is greatly improved this year. I rode it in May not long after opening day, and again last week. I will say that it is a bit rougher than two months ago, but on the whole a much pleasanter experience.

Not that I'm trying to change either of your minds. I know full well what it means to lose final patience with a ride.

It's not that I necessarily doubt the accounts of those who have experienced improved rides. It's that there are others who have described experiences to the contrary. That said, I do take Mike's opinion with less salt than most.

I understand that train and seat selection play a factor in the roughness, but that's too much effort for me. I'll gladly ride Maverick defensively, because that coaster really whips the llama's ass. MS? Not so much.

My opinions come pre-salted.

Having ridden Voyage and the Beast this weekend, how do folks who find Mean Streak to be too rough view those two rides in terms of roughness? I have never had an issue with roughness on Mean Streak. I do think its not a very good ride (and the second half is very dull - though at Coastermania, I thought the second half was not as bad as I had remembered at this point maybe my expecations have just been lowered to a large extent).

And I am not talking about the quality/enjoyment of the two rides (the Voyage is now my favorite wood coaster and probably my favorite coaster overall and I enjoy the Beast but I would put the Mean Streak low on my list of coasters).

I have not been on the Voyage but I have been on The Beast. The Beast is a very rough ride but with it being so long, I'll always ride it. Regardless of how rough it is.

As far as comparisons to The Beast, I have never felt jack hammering on it. With the caveat that I have not ridden MS this season, every year prior, I have felt this specific and unwelcome type of roughness. Maybe it's my upbringing with the ride, but I've always felt that this "painless roughness" was inherent to The Beast and enhanced it. To be sure, the intended effect of that helix is not to provide riders with a smooth, graceful turn in the dark.

Conversely, I don't feel that MS's roughness adds anything to the experience.

I didnt think the Voyage was rough...I just throws you around a lot and haves her way with you especially if you're riding with your hands up. The stuff Voyage does is just out of this world. The Beast I rode for the first time a few years ago and thought it was a rougher ride than MS and it did absolutely nothing for me. Im as nonplussed with it as I am with MS for most rides.

I had 4 rides on Beast this year. Two rides were the middle row of the first car in May, and I could not believe how incredibly smooth Beast was over previous years. I had never ridden it like that; the jarring/hopping was completely gone through the brake shed, the turns forced me against the sides, but were very smooth and clearly had new wood. The only part with a hint of roughness was the final helix. Overall, those particular rides were so smooth that they almost felt steel.

Then, I rode in the first car, back row, (over wheels) in May on the same day. It was still much smoother over previous year rides. But, my guard was down from the earlier ride in the day, and I wasn't even bracing much. Bad move. I got slammed so hard in the side on the final helix that I pulled a muscle in my chest and faced discomfort when breathing in for days.

I rode it again at night a month later in the back car, grabbing a middle car seat (not above wheels), and I had another outstandingly smooth and fast Beast ride.

All that being said, Beast is a much rougher ride than Mean Streak in a different way. It has strong forces that throw you against the sides which Mean Streak will never have. Mean streak is more of a jarring up/down vibration roughness, though it doesn't have it this year.

@TwistedWicker77

I don't give a crap what your take on salt is. And I'm pretty sure I can share my opinion freely on this board. I've ridden that damned ride every time I go to Cedar Point just in case by God's grace it gets better. And every time it's an utter failure and disappointment.

The layout is a complete joke. Dinn and Summers didn't know how to make good solid wooden coasters. That's why all of their coasters, with exception to The Beast, are regarded as crap. Look at the list and tell me there is a halfway-decent wooden coaster on the list. They're all crap.

There are no significant g-forces on this ride whatsoever because they've trimmed it to death. And why did they have to trim it to death? Because it's rough in a jackhammer sort of way, and not in an "out-of-control" coaster kind of way. Ffej was right. The Beast is crazy out of control and moves you from side-to-side in the train. Mean Streak jackhammers the crap out of you until you can't feel certain parts of your spine anymore.

The long sweeping turns have zero thrills to them. There is simply no excitement in this ride whatsoever. If it was still going its original speed, maybe. And I was being very generous by calling those "airtime" hills by the way. There is no airtime on Mean Streak. You'd have to have speed for that kind of thing. Those last 4 "hills" are there to get the damned thing back to the station, and even then it crawls there. Tell me, how many wooden coasters are there that have this type of layout? And how many of them are anywhere near the tops of the wooden coaster lists? Few, if any, to the first question, and none to the second question.

The Beast has been hit or miss over the years in terms of roughness. It seems to vary more widely than most other wooden coasters. However, the layout (in my opinion) is infinitely more interesting than that of Mean Streak. Not to mention at it's absolute roughest Beast was maybe close to being as bad as Mean Streak on an average day.

Voyage is just flat out intense. It kicks your butt, but not because it's rough. Unless you rode it in 2011, it was pretty bad that year.

@fastdawg07

While Dinn and Summers built many duds, there were a few that weren't half bad. Wolverine Wildcat at MI was pretty impressive when I rode it and even had a surprising amount of airtime. Thunder Run, Timber Wolf, Georgia Cyclone, and especially the original Texas Giant were all pretty good when they first opened, from what I've read. Too bad none of them are still operating the way they originally opened...

(Old) Texas Giant had a similar layout to Mean Streak and was at the top of the polls for a short time. However, TG had more hills packed into a smaller, shorter ride. Apparently for MS they recreated the basic layout of TG and just made it taller, but with more spaced out hills, resulting in a slower paced ride. This meant that MS had to rely more on speed to be a good ride and once they trimmed it it lost that too...

fastdawg07 said:
@TwistedWicker77

I've ridden that damned ride every time I go to Cedar Point just in case by God's grace it gets better. And every time it's an utter failure and disappointment.

Last time, you said you haven't ridden Mean Streak since 2010. How all of a sudden are you saying that you ride it every visit? Even if you did ride it every visit, if you don't like it, simply just stop riding.

The layout is a complete joke. Dinn and Summers didn't know how to make good solid wooden coasters. That's why all of their coasters, with exception to The Beast, are regarded as crap. Look at the list and tell me there is a halfway-decent wooden coaster on the list. They're all crap.

I already told you that The Beast is one of my favorite woodies, but that is a strong opinion you're trying to persuade to others. Raging Wolf Bobs was one of my favorite wooden coaster at the time. I look at it this way, if you want to ride a smooth coaster, go for a steel coaster.

There are no significant g-forces on this ride whatsoever because they've trimmed it to death.

And, if you've been following other threads, reports show (and I've even witnessed), that the trims have been off for atleast these past 2 weeks.

Those last 4 "hills" are there to get the damned thing back to the station, and even then it crawls there.

If it barely crawls there, how does the train slam into those final brakes before the downward hill into the station? I'm sure you can answer that question since you seem to ride it every visit, right?

Ffej, thank you for backing me up somewhat on that. I didn't get to it in time.

I haven't been back to the park after I finished working the 2010 season on maXair. I haven't had the time or the money (I got married last summer and I'm paying back student loans) to be able to go and the only reason I went in 2010 was because I had free admission all summer long. But 2011 was the first season in a long time that I missed. But since getting married, I've been a little busy working and trying to provide for my family. I'm sorry that I can't afford to be there every weekend, O Holy One. I apologize for my low status in society that I can't enjoy the greater things in life that you do and that I'm unable to buy season passes. How can I ever make it up to you?

And if what you say is true about the trims being taken off then fine, I retract my statement. But it still doesn't help that it's the most boring wooden coaster I've ever been on. It packs absolutely zero punch whatsoever. And again, they're barely airtime hills. You float over them, and no, I've never felt this sensation called "slamming" into the final brake run. That's just your hyperbole and nonsensical love for a ride that barely deserves to be called a top roller coaster at one of the top amusement parks in the world. Seriously, you find every single one of your rides on that thing enjoyable?

Look, I haven't been on hundreds of wooden coasters like some on these boards, but I have been on enough to know what a great wooden coaster can be. Mean Streak just isn't that great. There isn't a single moment of ejector air on the entire ride. How is that even possible on a wooden coaster? And I can handle the roughness. I've been on The Beast, Son of Beast, and Shivering Timbers enough times to know what roughness is. But Mean Streak is just boring while being rough. Those other rides are at least exciting.

^ Wow! Just wow! Anyway I'm going to make a point here without referring to you. I just wanted to point out that Mean Streak isn't the roughest wooden roller coaster ever built like some people make it sound. When Son of Beast was built, I thought that was the roughest wooden roller coaster that I had ever ridden in my life. Now that it's going away, everyone thinks that Mean Streak is the roughest wooden roller coaster ever built. You know what, I thought Thunderbolt at Kennywood was rough, but no one says a darn thing about that ride. I also rode the Hurler at Kings Dominion and thought that was painful. The point I'm trying to make is Mean Streak is not that bad of a ride.

Man I remember the first time I rode this(also the last time)severe pain throughout the entire 2+ minutes. I remember my friend getting off and reading the sign that says,"DO NOT RIDE if you have heart,neck,back problems ect...." And then he says, "If you didn't have these problems before you sure do now!"which was very true I was 14 at the time and my back and chest hurt for days after riding this. This ride was a risk and should have come with you signing a waver before entering the line. I have not been to Kings Island since 08', but I heard this ride hasn't even ran in 3 years is that true?