smoking and littering problem

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When did they start letting illiterate 2nd graders be sweeps at CP?

Coolkid.

Sorry, but your last post deserves this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAOxY_nHdew&feature=related

Same crazy horse! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3u3uWfe7kg

Just QUIT SMOKING. All I have to say is that the SMOKERS can only outside of the PARK; just in your CARS.

I agree. Or they could do that thing that Six Flags New England Does. Just throw the people out of the park. Busch Gardens handles the smoking very well. If you are really out of a designated smoking area, (especially in the zoo part)they kick you out and make you repay to get back in. They will usually yell at the smoker though.

Cedar point does nothing to enforce the policy.

I was there on sunday, and had my daughter at the costume contest. There was a guy smoking, standing right in back of a security guard. Security guard said nothing to him.

Out of all the parks I have been to this year, cedar point seems to be the worst when it comes to smokers. I am all for the smoking areas, but it needs to be enforced a hell of a lot better than it has been.

Wildthang said:
Ok, I was a sweep this year and I tried my damdest to tell ppl.. But its very hard to tell 50 ppl at one time.If guests cant read or listen to us when we tell them then its there fault!!! Blame it on each other not us!!! The authorities have also told ppl... We tell ppl and get told off at the same time. It may be a lil redundant cuz we are outside but if u are walking beside someone who is smokin its a lil annoyin. Dont worry employees have our own break areas and spots in them where we have to smoke. If there are ppl smokin tell them to put out there cigs politly cuz there is designated areas or tell an employee . Its not like we can control this all the time.... So chill if u cant stand it either dont come to the park cuz u know what is going to happen or stay clear of them if u see them just stand there and breathe it in..

Breathe what in????

When I caught anyone smoking outside the designated areas I told them where the designated areas are and would stand there till I saw them put out their butts and move on. I couldnt wait till I worked there to beable to do that!
There are always tons right by the Raptor entrance-drives me nuts.

Yes the (inconsiderate and selfish) smokers are out of control and yes I do agree that Six Flags (Magic Mountain anyway) kicks butt when it comes to smokers. Maybe it's the annoucement every 30 minutes reminding guests SF is a non smoking park.
Some idiots need to be reminded.....several times :(

Maybe we're supposed to be more considerate to people who are killing themselves????

Jo
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I know this is a dead horse, but Saturday I watched as three CP police standing in front of the Red Garter did nothing while three dudes lit up right in front of them. No joke. The three guys went walking down the trail, and a sweep, a tiny little girl, actually stopped them and had them put the smokes out.

Yes kids, the broom is mightier than the gun. And the sweep probably makes a third of what the cops do, at best.

Unfortunately, my observation has been that over half of the CPPD don't really care about anything, except standing around and talking. There are the few who have been around a while that actually treat it like a real PD job, and a few of the intern types (most are criminal justice majors doing internships) actually care to get "experience" and will be active in their duties. But for the most part, the majority either don't care or like testing how far their "power" goes (happens almost exclusively at the housing sites or with employees outside park hours, not usually with guests). So incidents like what you witnessed become rather common place.

It really is unfortunate that the employees that would probably have the most preconceived authority by the guests are the ones that visibly don't care.

Score one for the sweeps, even the wicked witch was burned by the broom, these guys might have been afraid of the same thing.

Cedar Point police is a damn joke. It takes them at least 30 minutes to arrive when needed, and by that time the situation is usually handled by then. Half the time, they just stand in circles talking amongst themselves and/or on their cell phones. They're pathetic. Thank God there are no rapes or murders, because they'd be really lost.

and the sweeps continue to increase their lead, wtg and well said Freak1987.

^^ There has been a missing person's case and a bomb scare this year. IDK if CPPD did anything though.

Your mom is to fat to ride TTD. said:
^^ There has been a missing person's case and a bomb scare this year. IDK if CPPD did anything though.

The "missing" person turned up. It was a member of the CPPD. FYI...they are still looking for the bomb.

WARNING: This is a flat-out, honest, unabashed (yet informed) rant! I am normally quite pleasant on these boards, but when you insist on saturating the forum with an obvious topic that is sure to cause an all out war for the upteenth time in the past six months alone, I've finally been pushed far enough to speak out about it. Really, this subject has been beaten to a bloody pulp here, and now I've reached the limit of my patience.

Okay, I hate to point out the obvious, but the obtuse sometimes need a good reality check. First of all, the two words I've heard over and over for your designation of smoking areas that are incorrect. They are neither rules, nor are they policies. If they were, they would technically be breaking Ohio law. Due to the size of the outdoor venue, it is illegal (please feel free to look this up yourself or ask your local smoking advocate attorney to do so for you, he may be able to recite it without cracking a law text!) I assure you, as obscure as it may be, it is in the law books, and was not covered in the new anti-smoking laws that have been causing issue with so many adult oriented indoor buisnesses, leading our already cripplingly poor economy to suffer even more so ever since they were passed. What Cedar Point has are guidelines. The only spots that may be fully enforced are within 15 ft of a doorway to a public store, enclosure or eatery, or anywhere that may contain flammable gases, or other ignitors.

If you do not like this law, petition to change it in the proper venue, on a BALLOT. Before you choose to point out the blatantly obvious fact that it is private property, I already know that, but again, it is outdoors, and over 50 acres, and open to the general public. Many zoos have tried to make their entire park and parking lots a "smoke-free zone" and when they attempt to enforce this by ejecting someone from the park, they lose the inevitable lawsuit in court because of the aforementioned law. This is why Cedar Fair parks take the stance that they do. It is not merely to avoid ostracizing 10 to 12% of their consumers. If that was the case, they wouldn't make designated smoking areas like the one between the Wildcat & The Train station which reeks of urine & fecal matter from the bathroom door it is located immediately next to. When you see people smoking on the midway, I'm willing to bet the majority you'll find are in that vicinity. I won't go in that restroom. I tried once, and ended up vomiting in my hands due to the stench. Anytime I go near it now, I begin dry heaving. Take a tour of all the designated smoking areas one day while you're at the park, and see if you can stand for 7 minutes at that one, or find a spot within the actual designated area at more than half the others (unless they're outside the bathroom doors on a 95+ degree day). Most also do not have shade, or adequate butt disposal recepticals for all the smokers congregated.

On a personal note.. This is to "Mr. Cedar Point" who posted above. You sir, are one of the most ignorant people I have EVER seen on these boards (and that is seriously saying a lot)! I'm a courtious smoker, I do not flick my butts, first of all because anything that goes in your mouth is not ever anyone else's responsibility to pick up and throw away, and will only raise the risk of a fire hazard (aside from the obvious germ theory). I avoid people at all costs when I smoke in public, but I stay well informed of my rights because that is exactly what they are. It is not my privledge to smoke, it is my right as a 33 year old woman and citizen of the United Stated of America who has been smoking since the age of 11.It's legal, and I've taken 22 years of verbal abuse from the whiners, and the soapboxers, and the unsolicited amature public health announcers, and quite frankly I am fed up with all of it. If you do not have an infant in your arms, do not bother me while I am enjoying my fix, just walk away or I will give as much negative energy as I've recieved over the years from you high and mighty mouth-breathing purists. So when you say "just quit", you sir, make me furious. I have tried quitting, several times. I am not weak, I am not uneducated, nor am I less than any other human who walks this Earth. I was a teenage heroin addict, supposedly the most addictive substance on the planet, and I quit cold turkey after 18 months of a $200/a day habit and have not touched it in 14 years! For some reason, every addict I've known who has quit, cannot shake nicotine for long. My longest was 2 years. The reason they are harder? Heroin is equal in the physical cravings, and the mental obsession, but you don't see it on display every time you walk in a store, open a magazine, or drive down the freeway & happen to glance at a billboard. You don't see people shooting up in your neighborhood on the front porch, no matter if you live in the finest or the worst area of town. So you sir, need to think, just a bit, before you start running your mouth about someone else's addictions so flippantly. I'm willing to bet you don't live in a glass house yourself.

To those who meant no offense, no offense taken, and pardon my abrasiveness, but sometimes things need to be said, otherwise nothing will ever change.

Pardon me, I'm going outside, to chainsmoke on my suburban front porch. Good evening.

Wait... there's a law in Ohio that forces private companies to allow smoking on their property?

Regardless, get over yourself. Nowhere in the Declaration of Independence does it guarantee you to "life, liberty and the freedom to smoke everywhere".

Jennacide said:
WARNING: This is a flat-out, honest, unabashed (yet informed) rant! I am normally quite pleasant on these boards, but when you insist on saturating the forum with an obvious topic that is sure to cause an all out war for the upteenth time in the past six months alone, I've finally been pushed far enough to speak out about it. Really, this subject has been beaten to a bloody pulp here, and now I've reached the limit of my patience.

Okay, I hate to point out the obvious, but the obtuse sometimes need a good reality check. First of all, the two words I've heard over and over for your designation of smoking areas that are incorrect. They are neither rules, nor are they policies. If they were, they would technically be breaking Ohio law. Due to the size of the outdoor venue, it is illegal (please feel free to look this up yourself or ask your local smoking advocate attorney to do so for you, he may be able to recite it without cracking a law text!) I assure you, as obscure as it may be, it is in the law books, and was not covered in the new anti-smoking laws that have been causing issue with so many adult oriented indoor buisnesses, leading our already cripplingly poor economy to suffer even more so ever since they were passed. What Cedar Point has are guidelines. The only spots that may be fully enforced are within 15 ft of a doorway to a public store, enclosure or eatery, or anywhere that may contain flammable gases, or other ignitors.

If you do not like this law, petition to change it in the proper venue, on a BALLOT. Before you choose to point out the blatantly obvious fact that it is private property, I already know that, but again, it is outdoors, and over 50 acres, and open to the general public. Many zoos have tried to make their entire park and parking lots a "smoke-free zone" and when they attempt to enforce this by ejecting someone from the park, they lose the inevitable lawsuit in court because of the aforementioned law. This is why Cedar Fair parks take the stance that they do. It is not merely to avoid ostracizing 10 to 12% of their consumers. If that was the case, they wouldn't make designated smoking areas like the one between the Wildcat & The Train station which reeks of urine & fecal matter from the bathroom door it is located immediately next to. When you see people smoking on the midway, I'm willing to bet the majority you'll find are in that vicinity. I won't go in that restroom. I tried once, and ended up vomiting in my hands due to the stench. Anytime I go near it now, I begin dry heaving. Take a tour of all the designated smoking areas one day while you're at the park, and see if you can stand for 7 minutes at that one, or find a spot within the actual designated area at more than half the others (unless they're outside the bathroom doors on a 95+ degree day). Most also do not have shade, or adequate butt disposal recepticals for all the smokers congregated.

On a personal note.. This is to "Mr. Cedar Point" who posted above. You sir, are one of the most ignorant people I have EVER seen on these boards (and that is seriously saying a lot)! I'm a courtious smoker, I do not flick my butts, first of all because anything that goes in your mouth is not ever anyone else's responsibility to pick up and throw away, and will only raise the risk of a fire hazard (aside from the obvious germ theory). I avoid people at all costs when I smoke in public, but I stay well informed of my rights because that is exactly what they are. It is not my privledge to smoke, it is my right as a 33 year old woman and citizen of the United Stated of America who has been smoking since the age of 11.It's legal, and I've taken 22 years of verbal abuse from the whiners, and the soapboxers, and the unsolicited amature public health announcers, and quite frankly I am fed up with all of it. If you do not have an infant in your arms, do not bother me while I am enjoying my fix, just walk away or I will give as much negative energy as I've recieved over the years from you high and mighty mouth-breathing purists. So when you say "just quit", you sir, make me furious. I have tried quitting, several times. I am not weak, I am not uneducated, nor am I less than any other human who walks this Earth. I was a teenage heroin addict, supposedly the most addictive substance on the planet, and I quit cold turkey after 18 months of a $200/a day habit and have not touched it in 14 years! For some reason, every addict I've known who has quit, cannot shake nicotine for long. My longest was 2 years. The reason they are harder? Heroin is equal in the physical cravings, and the mental obsession, but you don't see it on display every time you walk in a store, open a magazine, or drive down the freeway & happen to glance at a billboard. You don't see people shooting up in your neighborhood on the front porch, no matter if you live in the finest or the worst area of town. So you sir, need to think, just a bit, before you start running your mouth about someone else's addictions so flippantly. I'm willing to bet you don't live in a glass house yourself.

To those who meant no offense, no offense taken, and pardon my abrasiveness, but sometimes things need to be said, otherwise nothing will ever change.

Pardon me, I'm going outside, to chainsmoke on my suburban front porch. Good evening.

Actually to be honest a lot of what you said is very ignorant. This is private property so public law is not enforced here. If Cedar Point chose to enforce its guidelines which in fact are policies you could be removed from the park without refund. No one should have to be exposed to something that can increase a chance of having cancer. This is coming from someone who occasionally does enjoy having a cigarette.

Maybe smoking isn't enforceable, but trespassing sure is.