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CP Maverick, Where did speculation come into play here? We were just talking about the leaking of business secrets. There is a huge difference between my speculation that the park will install a 500' tall AquaTrax next year vs. "Listen to this information I obtained from my friend who signed a non-disclosure agreement with the park."

Coast, if you are really friends with ride crews, you would not let them be accomplices in your theft of services. Yes, I know someone is going to respond with a statement along the lines of "it is not a big deal." But regardless of your personal beliefs, theft of services is a crime just like shoplifting that carries stiff criminal and civil penalties.

Unless a source is confirmed, it is speculation.

If this information is obtained illegally (violations of trespassing or nda), that is a different matter.

It's also different when you talk in absolutes. He sounds pretty sure of his source which, to me, means someone said something they probably shouldn't have been said.

Like I said earlier in the thread, it's one thing to post photos or video that are clearly unauthorized. We won't enable it, but we're not pretend it doesn't exist if posted elsewhere.

Posting rumors and confirmations from secret sources ... who knows what's true or not true? If we start removing rumors that we know to be true, all we do is validate the post. Are the items in this thread accurate? I guess we'll know eventually. There have been a lot of confident posts over the years that turned out to be completely off the mark. Take everything with a grain of salt. If a post turns out to be true, then it was true.

I'll say this, though, speaking in general. Posts on this forum don't go unnoticed. If you post something you shouldn't be sharing, you can count on the good people at Cedar Point to be less than happy and to do everything they can to determine the source.

coast said:

However, down here in Orlando, I have befriended many of the ride ops at the various parks. I can't remember the last time I waited to ride Seven Dwarfs for instance. I just wait for a friendly face to be at the Fast Pass entrance. Or entering the VIP entrance for Dragons, get front row on both sides within five minutes, and buy my friend a drink later on at City Walk. Or re-riding some of the Beemers many times over by filling empty seats wth the blessing of your ride op friends. .

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I hope you and your friends get caught and are shown the door and banned from the parks.

TTD 120mph said:
It's also different when you talk in absolutes. He sounds pretty sure of his source which, to me, means someone said something they probably shouldn't have been said.

We don't know what should or shouldn't have been said.

Like I stated before, some information may be allowed to leak. This gets people talking. If it is inappropriate, the park will put a stop to it.

I'm sure our leaked information, provided it is true, didn't come from some seasonal worker who doesn't give a flying crap if they got to come back for another season or not. Rather it is more likely it came from someone who has held a full time job with the park for a number of years. And I highly doubt someone would divulge "top secret" information to someone in the general public knowing darn well that it can and will spread like wild fire. Nobody was going to risk their career just to see a bunch of coaster enthusiasts get a rise out of it on this forum. If we're hearing about it, like we have, the source is probably fully in a position to release such information.

CPfan1976 said:

These are the same people that go see Star Wars: the Force Awakens on opening night just for the sake of posting spoliers on Facebook.

Han and Leia had sex at least once.

MichaelB said:
If we're hearing about it, like we have, the source is probably fully in a position to release such information.

Provided it's true, I'm absolutely sure it's unauthorized. I wish what you were saying was true, but I don't think some people fully understand the impact of their actions. Case in point, just a few years ago: similar issue, similar tone.

SO GLAD I never waded into that topic back in 2013. Just reading a summary of it was brutal. What I do find funny (I guess because I've been around too long) is that when these internet sites started way back in the day (Guide to the Point, etc) there wasn't anyone in the company monitoring anything.

My department had one of the first desktop PCs with internet access back in '94. I remember stumbling on a few of the websites and reading posts about the upcoming rides. Banshee/Mantis was one of the earlier internet chat room sensations. Back then I can guarantee that most of the Cedar Point executives didn't even know how to get on the internet...let alone have any interest in monitoring it.

First and foremost, I apologize if I upset anyone or spoke when I shouldn't have. I've been a longtime reader of this site, rarely do I post. I'm not a greedy enthusiast who demands special treatment, but I do enjoy a healthy conversation on the future of the park, especially when information is obtained legally. If this is not what is wished for this site, I respectfully accept that.

I asked several times for the information to be taken as speculation. Since I started coming to this site, before it was even PointBuzz, posting things like that has been fine. I forgot about the incident in 2013, and it reminded me of a similar incident involving KI Central.

My intentions were to do no harm for the park or the site. The topic title alone is a spoiler alert. I nearly chimed in with what I was told. Again, giving a disclaimer that the plans described may or may not come to fruition. We will know shortly enough I suppose.

coast said:

Jeff said:

coast said:
There's a subset of enthusiasts who certainly welcome such information. This subset is less concerned with park politics or any perceived "reputation" with the parks, and more concerned with simply having fun riding coasters without concern for the business itself.

Not coincidentally, this is the same subset that demands ERT and turns into a bunch of crybabies when they don't get their way.

That is the old way, really. I haven't attended an enthusiast event in a few years, so no park sanctioned ERT for me. However, down here in Orlando, I have befriended many of the ride ops at the various parks. I can't remember the last time I waited to ride Seven Dwarfs for instance. I just wait for a friendly face to be at the Fast Pass entrance. Or entering the VIP entrance for Dragons, get front row on both sides within five minutes, and buy my friend a drink later on at City Walk. Or re-riding some of the Beemers many times over by filling empty seats wth the blessing of your ride op friends. That is the new, even better ERT.

Being friends with the front line people is often much more beneficial than being friends with the executives.

I know this probably happens quite a bit, but its definitely not going to gain you respect in here. Ide be rather irritated if you jumped in front of me just because you are buddies with the ride op. That is no different than cutting line; period, and you should be ejected from whatever park you are at.

I think equally irritating is hearing about an employee that really doesn't care about the mass public waiting in line, that this employee would rather help out his friend in exchange for "a drink". I'm sure management would not hesitate to terminate your friend for helping you out. Plenty of us on here know (or are themselves) ride operators, and certainly wouldn't take advantage of that friend and keep other guests waiting. You can call it ERT if you want, but I just call it being a moron.

Coast probably invites the bartender to the park with him for that Coast-exclusive ERT to get free drinks for the ride ops he invites to the bar.

The off season: Most commonly defined by the time of year that random trolls appear and get into internet fights about nothing.

^I hope you aren't referring to me.

Well cam 3 is now pointing toward that area but I cant see much from the distance.

It doesn't show Challenge Park in that view. We'll likely find out at WCO in 10 days.

Thabto said:

It doesn't show Challenge Park in that view. We'll likely find out at WCO in 10 days.

Likely find out what?

Find out what is going on at Challenge Park. Could be something or absolutely nothing.