Panda express and Chick-Fil-A?

Sorry about mistaking Mr. Cathy as a Mrs. Thats an honest mistake.

Walt, thanks for your comments. You say alot of what I'd like to say, but I didn't know how deep this discussion could go before the thread got closed, so I walked on the light side.

I again stress that I am very much an advocate for equal rights, and fair treatment of every human being. But this whole trend of crying intolerance for every single thing that happens in our world that contradicts our own personal belief is getting tiring. People have always had beliefs, and have molded their business around their beliefs. Truett Cathy does it, James Dobson does it, and so has Dick Kinzel. Because CP has offered Catholic Mass at Hotel Breakers, but no protestant services, should I as a protestant Methodist boycott the park? Of course not. I believe "intolerance" has become more an issue of "you don't accept my beliefs", as opposed to "you oppress me for my beliefs". I believe that oppressing someone or causing them harm because of their beliefs is a horrible and unacceptable thing. However, I don't believe we have to "accept" everyones beliefs. I certainly believe we are to love one another, and allow each person to have their own beliefs, but we are entitled to believe our respective religions as well... Ok, I've rambled enough. I hope I made some sense, and if you want to dialog about this more, I would be more than happy.

...thus concludes today's sermon...

Well, I think I have enough information, between what's been posted here and what I've gathered on my one. Like Disney Mike, I will choose not to frequent this establishment.

If I were truly malicious, I would e-mail Cedar Fair and tell them that I was so inspired by their selection of this God-fearing chain that I choose to stay at home on Sundays and instead give the money I was going to spend at the Frontier Inn to the Baptists.

Anybody got an extra god to worship? I tried worshipping Joe Pesci for a while, but just like the Christian God, he never calls.

Wow, am I whining? Sure feels good. ;)

I didn't take the comments so much as "nose in the air" more so just of giving personal opinions on the company and backing them up with the reasons for those opinions. I am not a fan of chick-fil-a because of bad experiences with rude and slow employees in toledo. After hearing about contributions to groups who's beliefs I dont' agree with I am even less likly to give them a second chance. Compare it to politicians. If a politician aligns themself with a group that you don't agree with (nra, pro-life groups, pro-choice groups, anti or pro gay groups) you wont' vote for them. If a business aligns themselves with a group you don't agree with why should that be any different?

I would be interested to hear from an Chick-fila employee or former employee on if the rumers were true though.

"If I told you I made a contribution to Focus on the Family, would you stop visiting PointBuzz?"

"Catholic Mass at Hotel Breakers, but no protestant services, should I as a protestant Methodist boycott the park? Of course not."

Why not? It's your money. Your choice. Your belief.

Why should someone continue to support a person/organization they don't share beliefs with? Just because they have roller coasters or chicken?

If they feel that strongly about it why shouldn't they be able to stop? This is America the same rights all these groups have to say whatever they want are the same rights someone else has not to do business with them. Blindly following like you suggest is the real problem. People have a right to stop doing business with anyone.

I've got no problem if you choose to not patronize a business, whatever the reason may be. I don't like smoking, but I still buy gas at stations that sell cigarettes. It's hard to avoid people who don't think like you. But if you want to avoid a business, I see nothing wrong with you making that choice for yourself. There's obviously a line for everyone. It just so happens that mine is closer to the Neo-Nazi cookie selling example I used earlier.

I do wonder, though, if you boycott Chic-fil-A for supporting Focus on the Family, then why don't you also boycott Cedar Point for supporting Chic-fil-A? That's not much of a stretch using the arguments given here, but obviously giving up Cedar Point is a much bigger commitment than giving up Chic-fil-A.

Anyway, what I do have a problem with is when "tolerant" people practice "one way" tolerance. Like I said on the previous page, the idea of not eating there would be easier to digest if it wasn't for the "freedom hating" tone.

*** Edited 3/30/2007 4:59:39 PM UTC by Walt***

You know Disney Mike, Ensign, and halltd that you can give contributions to charities to specified parts of said organizations (especially when you donate very large amounts). Even being a Christian I do not necessarily agree with everything Dobson/Focus on the Family throws their weight behind, but in the larger scheme of things I believe that most of what they are doing is having a very positive impact on Christian families and elsewhere. With that said, you can't know at the moment whether Mr. Cathy is just throwing his money into the organization(s) to be used wherever they please, or if he is telling the organization(s) to use his donations and contributions for specific parts of what they do. Now whether they actually put the money where he wishes, not even Mr. Cathy can be completely aware of that. With that said, it is up to you to decide if Cathy is deliberately putting his money behind things that you (and I) don't agree with and whether it deserves your business or not. I agree with Josh M. and Walt on this one as well, and that's it for my take on the religious argument side of things.

Now on how I feel about putting in said restaurants at said locations...I'll be eating supper at PE and probably having a late snack at Chick-fil-a before the park closes on opening day. I honestly don't feel its that big of a deal as long as the Panda Express building doesn't end up with a facade like Pagoda Gifts and there isn't a huge neon Chick-fil-a sign on the former Frontier Inn building.

Chick-Fil-A will not be open on Sundays, but they can sponsor a football game that is played on Sundays.

That is intresting...

http://www.chick-fil-abowl.com/dnn/AboutTheBowl/FanGuide/tabid/181/default.aspx

I don't see the connection. They obviously operate in malls and amusement parks that remain open on Sundays.

They choose themselves not to open on Sundays. They never said that all must fall in line with that philosophy or they won't do business with them.

*** Edited 3/30/2007 5:30:34 PM UTC by Walt***

Well, it was a Saturday this year, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

How is that interesting?

None of their employees are working that day. It's not like the sponsorship is at all active.

So, really, there's nothing to pull from that at all.

"Anyway, what I do have a problem with is when "tolerant" people practice "one way" tolerance. "

Well you sure seem tolerant of neo-Nazis. But I'm sure that hating Blacks/Jews and hating Gays are totally different things. They have their own beliefs why can't you accept them? The cookies are delicous after all, why can't you just buy the cookies, enjoy them, and not worry about where the money eventually goes?

Tolerance != acceptance.

Even though the stadium itself is not a Chick-fil-a establishment, somebody has to work at the game.

Ok, the GAME WAS ON SATURDAY.

Saturday != Sunday.

And looking at the past years on wikipedia, the games have NEVER been on a Sunday.

So there goes that left field theory.

YeeHaw said:
Well you sure seem tolerant of neo-Nazis. But I'm sure that hating Blacks/Jews and hating Gays are totally different things. They have their own beliefs why can't you accept them? The cookies are delicous after all, why can't you just buy the cookies, enjoy them, and not worry about where the money eventually goes?

So you're saying that a Neo-Nazi group is the same as Focus on the Family? What? If you really do, you are making my point for me! If you can't see the difference between my hate group example and a company making a charitable contribution, then there's not much else I can do here.

I still wonder why if you're so anti-Chick-fil-A, why you have no problem patronizing an amusement park who does business with them.

*** Edited 3/30/2007 6:02:38 PM UTC by Walt***

The only thing I'm intolerant of is intolerance. Well, and ignorance. The two things I'm intolerant of are intolerance and ignorance . . . and incompentence. Okay. The three things I'm intolerant of are intolerance, ignorance, and incompentence . . . and unmitigated arrogance. Curses, I'll have to start over.

The four things I'm . . . oh, sod it.

I no longer back away from groups and ideologies that try to dictate how I should think or live. That's as true on the left as on the right. I am as intolerant of the animal rights extremist who tries to suppress animal research, even if it means ending development of a drug that might save my life or that of someone I care about, as I am the pharmacist who won't fill out a prescription for the morning-after pill for a grown woman because it's against his "beliefs".

Granted, Chick-Fil-A's not being open on Sunday is a long way from the above cited examples. Nevertheless, any restaurant that won't serve me on a given day because God won't be happy with me, will never have my business and will always have my vocal opposition.

And I have to say, I'm rather irritated at Cedar Fair for going this route.

Now, about those damn pandas . . . ;)

I'm not sure you understand the reasoning for being closed on Sunday (or understand Christianity itself), if you think it boils down to "God won't be happy with me."

However, I can tolerate your beliefs. :)

^^ - then consider it this way, they give Sunday off to their employees to do with as they please. Its one day a week that EVERYONE is guaranteed to have off. That's not a bad deal, and it would be nice if MORE places would follow that route.

They aren't closed because God would be unhappy with you, but so their employees will ALWAYS have at least 1 day off a week. Is it a problem to dedicate 1 day a week to something other than work?

And nice job sneaking in the Spanish Inquisition reference. I never expected it.

^^ And vice versa. ;)

Anyway, if God didn't want people to go to restaurants and bars on Sunday, He wouldn't have created professional football.

^ NOBODY expects the sneaky Spanish Inquisition reference!
*** Edited 3/30/2007 6:21:48 PM UTC by Ensign Smith***

That fake crap played over wasn't invented by God. He's smarter than that.

Real football actually involves feet.