ONE BIg OVAL??

I am pretty sure that almost everyone will agree that this coaster is going to be one big oval. I think the hill is impresive and am sure the ride will be great!!! but I just wondered if anyone else feels shorted by CP putting in such short rides! WT is also a great ride but I am not waiting in line for a 15 sec ride. WT was fun the first time but if there is a long line I am passing.I come to get the feeling that CP is almost out of space and is just making stuff to get their name out with records.

Wicked Twister is not that short of a ride. The track is short, but you travel the track 5 times. WT is well worth a wait IMHO. As for #16, it may just be an oval, but the track length is probably longer than Blue Streak. It will be a pretty short ride because of the speed, but what a ride it'll be! Compare #16 with SFMM's Superman. #16 will be far, far superior. And yet, no one seems to slag Superman for being a short ride.

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Florida may have Disneyworld and Key West,
but Ohio has Cedar Point and Put-In-Bay.
It's great to live in Ohio!

Here is Superman: http://rcdb.com/installationgallery140.htm?Picture=7

Now imagine going up and over that while twisting and you have #16.

As i've been saying...anyone that is disappointed with this is crazy.

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Great Ohio Coaster Club member #335

I should correct myself before this gets out of hand. I am not dissappointed with the ride at all its going to be awsome. I just dont like the timing of it. WT was a lil bigger ver of the superman in six flag cleveland.A coaster then this ride would have been a lot better in a fans point of view

I can't remember who said it but I remember reading it and it was a good point. No one ever complains about the length of a drop ride and I've seen people waiting 1-2 hours for Power Tower. And I know Demon Drop was a big hit when it was built. #16 will be a combination of a roller coaster and a drop ride with insane heights, take it for what it's worth.

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Brent Haley
Gemini Crew '02

You're mistaken if you think Superman:TE doesn't get bashed for being short. I'm sure if you were a SFMM fan you'd have a different story about other people's perception of that ride.

No argument that #16 looks to be a vastly superior ride.

I agree with Brent. I recall people waiting for 90 minutes for Demon Drop, and I've also seen two hour waits for Power Tower, both "short" rides. It's the intensity and the extremes that bring people in. #16 might be a short ride, but the extremes are what will have people waiting hours for it.

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I'd rather die living than live like I'm dead

People get too hung up on the type of ride. People endlessly complained about Tomb Raider just being a Top Spin, when anyone who just went in and enjoyed the ride thought it was much more than that.

Yes, this is a roller coaster, but that doesn't mean it needs 8,000 feet of track and whatever else you think coasters need.

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP - Sillynonsense.com
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Maybe some people tend to forget too that Cedar Point has limited space to build rides, but they still put in more rides than any other park in the world. That's what makes it so great. The new ride still leaves room for futre growth. I have been to bigger parks, but they are not as good as Cedar Point.

I thought CP has been calling it a 'thrill ride'. Have they changed their story yet?

Personally, I would sacrifice the record-breaking height of a coaster for a coaster that has more elements. I would have rather seen a 200ft. coaster with more than one top hat. 2 coasters in 2 years that are short in duration is hard to swallow. On a hot summer day, I'd rather wait an hour for MF because it is a lot more than just a 300ft. hill (psycholgically speaking).

But should Cedar Point put in a multi-element roller coaster every year? The park is always doing something new and exciting. One year it was Snake River Falls. Another year it was Power Tower. Neither of those rides are criticized for their lack of elements. Would it make people feel better if this was called a "thrill ride" instead of a "roller coaster?" Because it's a roller coaster, do people automatically make certain assumptions of what it should be?

Even multi-element coasters like Millennium Force and Magnum are very different .... and both of those coasters have been criticized by some. Cedar Point is very good at installing rides that appeal to the general public, but they're not necessarily building for enthusiasts.

I just have a hard time complaining about being launched that high, that fast.

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*** This post was edited by Gemini 12/12/2002 10:14:40 AM ***

Gemini, I dont think anyone is complaining about the speed or height of #16. The issue is stopping at the bottom of the first drop. If you agree Superman at MM is a coaster, then Superman and #16 will be the only 2 coasters in the world that stop at the fast point of the ride, after the first drop. IMO we dont need two, and dont need to expand on this trend. Hypersonic and Dodonpa both allow the passenger to feel the speed the ride generates.

It feels like 16 is taking a step backwards to Superman rather than expand upon the trends that Hypersonic and Dodonopa have started these past few years.

Tom

If #16 featured more elements, which elements would make sense? We already have a multi element speed coaster with overbanked turns that allows the rider to enjoy and feel the speed it generates. Do we need another one? This ride will be great, it'll be like drinking a shot instead of a mixed drink!

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Florida may have Disneyworld and Key West,
but Ohio has Cedar Point and Put-In-Bay.
It's great to live in Ohio!

So it's like the difference between what you and Dan would drink? ;)

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Jeff (where's my $20?)
Webmaster/GTTP - Sillynonsense.com
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Tom,
I really would not call them "trends" since there are only 2 coasters that you brought up.

Also what more can Cedar Point really do with this ride and at the same time still keep it from being the same or similar to other rides that they already have? It would be pointless to put overbank turns on it since Millenium Force has them. It would also be pointless to add any air time hills on this ride since Magnum Force has those. Which brings me back to what else could realistically been done with this ride than what is being done with it?
*** This post was edited by beast7369 12/12/2002 11:27:53 AM ***

I don't consider Superman at SFMM to be a coaster anymore than I do Power Tower or Demon Drop. But that's my opinion.

Pete makes a great point - "it'll be like drinking a shot instead of a mixed drink!" Cedar Point will be adding another great coaster to their arsenal - a completely new riding experience. Not only would you have to be very creative to handle that much speed in the area they've chosen to locate the ride, but wouldn't it essentially be a bigger, faster Millennium Force after the launch and drop?

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Virtual Midway
http://www.virtualmidway.com
*** This post was edited by Gemini 12/12/2002 12:27:29 PM ***

Tom - I think you have summed up very well how a lot of us feel about this ride. Getting launched to some speed above 100 MPH, climbing that 400 foot hill and then falling down the other side are great elements on this ride. At the bottom of the drop side hill, we will have to be hitting upwards of 100 MPH. All that speed and then SLAM ON THE BRAKES???!!!! It just ain't right!

I don't know about the rest of you, but my LEAST favorite part of any roller coaster is stopping. You get pushed forward against the least comfortable part of the restraint, you get that sinking feeling that the ride is "over", etc.

#16 is going to stop just when it has re-gathered all of its velocity from the 90 degree vertical drop. Even just a few bunny hills and OB turns would have been nice to experience as the train loses its energy in a more natural way.

Believe me, I will ride #16 for the "thrill" of the launch speed and the fantastic height. But, halfway down the drop side I will become distracted from the fun in preparation for the brakes that are going to be coming on soon. And I know that the "brake run" is actually quite long and that its not going to feel like a head on collision. It just isn't going to be a "fun" part of the ride for ME.

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First CP Visit: 1970

What amazes me most is that even the general public doesn't b***h so much about short rides as some losers around here do.

C'mon guys... were supposed to be enthusiasts.

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Jes
Jes's Roller Coasters DJ Jes
Six Flags Worlds Of Adventure 2002 Ride-Ops Crew! Have fun trying to find me!

Zero - I think it is premature to speculate on what the GPs reaction to the ride will be, since an announcement hasnt been made. I have more than a few friends (GP), that are surprised how short the ride is, and yes, disapointed.

Just because I AM an enthusiast, does not mean I have to be enthusiastic about every and all coasters. I am excited about the ride, I do plan on going on it (at least once), and I reserve the right (with other enthusiasts) to express my disapointment over the length and layout.

IMO what reflects poorly on enthusiasts is comments like yours - calling all of us that are not lemmings, losers.

Tom