Next major ride

noggin said:
(It's like saying McDonald's sells billions more burgers than Applebee's, therefore Applebee's must have terrible burgers.)

No, it's just a coincidence that Applebee's has terrible burgers.

This thread is really getting ridiculous...who has the popcorn?

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm popcorn. Is it just a coincidence, or does the sound of my spine being destroyed on MS sound like popcorn cooking?

noggin, I only say anecdotal as a disclaimer but it's not what I really think. It's what I've observed, experienced, and with others over the years. I only visited this forum a couple of years or so ago and just registered some time last year when we were getting passes. What I found since visiting were many threads and posts backing all of the above. So it's not just me, my sphere, or my visits.

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I'm going to have to do some digging but there was a really good thread explaining what was wrong with Mean Streak's structure. I think RideMan was extremely informative about the situation.

Personally I still enjoy MeanStreak but I do see a lot of people getting off not as happy as me and my kids are and have heard kids crying on the way into the station. When asked how our ride was we occasionally get weird looks when we sqeal with delight.

I don't think Mean Streak is that bad of a ride. As I said it was bad when I rode in 2005 and I got talked back on it this year and it runs alot smoother. I also like the ride being a walk-on. Even on busy days, I know it will be something I can ride that's still enjoyable, but I know what days to avoid if I don't want to put up with crowds.

3snoH un=l said:
...It's what I've observed, experienced, and with others over the years. I only visited this forum a couple of years or so ago and just registered some time last year when we were getting passes. What I found since visiting were many threads and posts backing all of the above. So it's not just me, my sphere, or my visits.

*sigh*

What you've observed or experienced, with or without others, over the years; what you have found visiting one website, reading posts from some of the people on that website; whether or not it's you, your "sphere" or your "visits"...it's anecdotal "evidence" from someone with a stated antipathy towards the ride.

I've visited Cedar Point every year for the past four decades. I've had plenty of rides on Mean Streak; I like the ride. I usually ride it more than once during a day in the park. I've never had the experience you describe of seeing a large number of riders expressing a dislike of the ride.

^ So what you are saying is that his observations don't show that MS is a disliked ride by the general public, but your observations prove that the majority of the general public enjoy the ride?

No, dear, I'm not.

What I'm saying is that observations by a person or persons on an Internet fan site, with stated and overt antipathy toward the ride, just do not "show" that the ride is disliked by the general public. They're opinions. Not facts.

And all I said about my observation of riders? That I've never had the experience of trainloads of unhappy riders described by several here, despite the numerous times I've enjoyed a ride on Mean Streak. How you jumped from that observation to a declaration of "proof" escapes me.

This is just the same argument. Any criticism or suggestion of policy, direction, service, etc. gets labeled as coming from "whiny enthusiasts" (from a select few -or two) and that Cedar Point, the almighty, always knows best and has always made the best decisions or already looked into it. And my favorite, our experiences and observations mean nothing if the one debating against it never experienced it himself.

Please don't be literal with this either. I know you didn't use the label specifically but I've seen it enough on here to know what you mean by internet fan site.

At any rate, I'm not the enthusiast you think I am, I'm really just a regular park-goer.

Enjoy your walk-on rides on Mean Streak next summer.

noggin said:

*sigh*

...is right. Let's just stick a fork in this.

The over exaggeration doesn't help the matter either (and it's quite silly to boot). I'll say I'm really sick of reading smirk sounding comments that the general consensus of people here put Cedar Point on some kind of pedestal. That it is suggested that Cedar Point always knows best....or whatever. First off, that point is farthest from the truth. We are ALL the biggest critics of the park.

It is the suggestion that they have a pretty dang good fix on how to run an amusement park......that it's doing fine with or without our involvement or opinions. So when someone suggests stuff, as if they know best or better, it definitely comes of as a whiny comment. This is something that is not new and has been going on for years (something Jeff and Walt can attest to).

And the moment someone, on here, has their points, opinions or "facts" challenged, all hell breaks loose. This debate is a pure matter of opinion. None of you can physically produce facts based on your observations. Claiming you've seen X amount of riders happy or sad or whatever is purely anecdotal (yes it is). It's no more true or false than the opposite side. I am referring to both sides here btw.

The simple argument made that seemed to be blown out of proportions was that Mean Streak will, most likely, be staying for a while. It's a well placed opinion based on the facts that CP has both stated comments as such and that they've invested a great deal of money in the ride. Arguing how many people you know or have seen react in a positive or negative way towards Mean Streak and that it reflects how pointless or meaningful the ride is is soo anecdotal it hurts.

It's going to be a reeeaaaallll long offseason if "How right or wrong someones opinions are" is what we argue about. Sheesh louise!

Well while we were having a discussion about MS, which I believe is a very great thing to have during the off season, I'm surprised that much hasn't been said about the Blue Streak area.

By the way, here is an interesting pic of the area from BS construction. https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1476149_1015178518...2941_n.jpg

3snoH un=l said:
This is just the same argument. Any criticism or suggestion of policy, direction, service, etc. gets labeled as coming from "whiny enthusiasts" (from a select few -or two) and that Cedar Point, the almighty, always knows best and has always made the best decisions or already looked into it. And my favorite, our experiences and observations mean nothing if the one debating against it never experienced it himself....

...At any rate, I'm not the enthusiast you think I am, I'm really just a regular park-goer.

Over-dramatic much?

I haven't called anyone a "whiny" enthusiast; that's your word. But I believe I am correct in thinking that some -- not all, and not most -- of the people on Pointbuzz expressing their opinion do not in turn reflect the attitudes of the general public.

I certainly don't think Cedar Fair is perfect in every way. Kinzel stayed on too long, buying Geauga was a mistake, they're too heavy into restaurant franchises in the parks... I could go on.

All I've said is that I haven't had the same experience you have when I've ridden Mean Streak. I haven't said your experiences mean nothing, because they don't.

You don't seem to be willing to extend to others the tolerance you say others aren't extending to you.

Someone who has sought out an Internet fan site and signed up is, actually, an enthusiast. 99.725% [made up statistic!] of the people who visit Cedar Point each year don't go home and seek out Internet fan sites...

Hey coaster enthusiasts..

Eat a snickers..

For me, there is actually a lot to like about a ride that is just an OK ride but never has much of a line. I have a better time getting 2 or 3 rides on Mean Streak in 30 min. than I do waiting for Maverick for 1.5 hrs., even though Maverick is the far superior ride.

That is the beauty of Mean Streak, it's like a trashy chick in a bar. It may not be the best ride, but you certainly don't have to wait long to get some!

^ and the next day you need to make a trip to see a doctor

Pete said:
That is the beauty of Mean Streak, it's like a trashy chick in a bar. It may not be the best ride, but you certainly don't have to wait long to get some!

Best post of the week!

Pete said:

That is the beauty of Mean Streak, it's like a trashy chick in a bar. It may not be the best ride, but you certainly don't have to wait long to get some!

I guess I have more respect for myself... ;)

I ate my Snickers.

Blue Streak is walk-on in many respects but it is running at its optimum and is fun because of it. Mean Streak is not and it's pretty obvious when riding it.

CP should know that Mean Streak is not living up to its potential. I am not so positive as others who think they have done all they can for it. Especially when one has observed other things go to pot, like Disaster Transport when it was still operating and before Gatekeeper wasn't even thought of yet.

I'll leave it that you can continue to think it is not worth CP's time or money to improve Mean Streak and I'll just continue my opinion and criticism it's impressive only in its looks, otherwise a big waste, whenever the topic comes up again. And I'm sure it will.

As far as the "whiny enthusiasts", I swear it was only a year or so ago when there were those lamenting the loss of dark rides or other universal attractions and there were those who rebuked saying Cedar Point is not going to install dark rides just to cater to a few enthusiasts. Now CP's direction has changed to those who have seen this path they had previously been going down for years. I was truly surprised seeing the positive comments on that thread in support now. It's like eyes were finally opened to see what some of us have seen all along, punctuated by trying to experience the park with our own families now.

I'm not against dissenting opinions, if someone genuinely likes Mean Streak, etc., what irritates me is this assumption of "Cedar Point has already determined..." kind of stuff I see repeatedly as though you're speaking for the park when, unless you're privy, you can't make that determination. And how do things improve? We speak up about it.

I think Coasters burgers are one of the most tasteless meats I've ever eaten and have not eaten there since. This would be the kind of response I'm talking about: "Cedar Point has determined that the meat in Coaster's burgers sells well enough that they won't change vendors to improve its taste."

Actually if someone here actually is in the loop, I'd like to know what CP really thinks of Mean Streak in its current state, if they really think it's good enough and what the thoughts are for its future and why.

I'll go eat another Snickers. :)

Someone is in the loop, but these decisions and ideas aren't released unless there are press releases, ect.

I'm sure CP/CF has looked into it, but I doubt changes will happen. Like I said earlier it's late in it's life, and obviously it still has ridership it's still standing and doing it's thing. I think most you're going to see is more extensive retracking and that's it unfortunately.