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It would be naive to say that Cedar Point hasn't looked into or thought about what RMC could do with Mean Streak. In fact, I remember hearing somewhere that they have. There's no doubt that what RMC done with Texas Giant, Rattler, Medusa, etc isn't short of amazing work. But imho, I would be surprised if Cedar Point were to alter Mean Streak with topper track. I think if anything is ever done to that area, it would result in Mean Streak being demolished in favor of a new ride and a revitalization of the area.

What Six Flags has done with their rides is cool and all, but I just could not see Cedar Point doing this. And frankly, I'd be a bit disappointed if they did. I would prefer that they start over with a fresh slate and rework the area into something more than a huge wooden coaster with a massive infield that's only used for storage and a haunt.

I think it would be amazing to see something, in that area, like what RMC is doing with Goliath at SF: Great America. A longer(and taller) version of that that would have an check mark shaped layout. That way they could open the area and add more things (while still leaving Eden Musse).

But that's just me.

"So Cedar Fair decides to spend 30 million on a coaster and you don't think they would spend 15 million on a superior ride?"
Capital investments are made for a variety of reasons. Gatekeeper was not built solely to add another coaster to CP's collection; adding it allowed Cedar Fair to accomplish several important goals. And why demolish a standing coaster that, clearly, draws sufficient ridership season after season to justify its continued existence?

"But when that time comes, I literally can't think of a better decision that a remake of MS with topper track from RMC."
And that is your opinion. The board of directors may come to a different conclusion.

"How do you possibly argue against it..."
I'm not arguing against it. I just think it's unlikely. You're trying to fix something that's not broken.

"...unless you are just afraid of change..."
If I'm afraid of change, I sure wouldn't be a fan of Cedar Point. The first time I went to the park? There was no Raptor. There was no Gemini. There was no Corkscrew, no IMAX theatre, no Sandcastle Suites, no Planet Snoopy, no White Water Landing. There was Sealand, a funhouse, a double ferris wheel, a Bayern Kurve, Jungle Larry's African Safari. Cedar Point has changed far more than you likely realize, my young friend.

"...or a blind CP homer?"
I recognize all five words, but put together in that order they make no sense.

"The Dinn and Summers corporation failed for a reason! How many of their coasters can be called "good." I'll answer that for you. NONE!"
And that is your opinion. It's not a fact, not even when you write "none" in all caps.

noggin said:
"So Cedar Fair decides to spend 30 million on a coaster and you don't think they would spend 15 million on a superior ride?"
Capital investments are made for a variety of reasons. Gatekeeper was not built solely to add another coaster to CP's collection; adding it allowed Cedar Fair to accomplish several important goals. And why demolish a standing coaster that, clearly, draws sufficient ridership season after season to justify its continued existence?

What's your source for saying it draws sufficient ridership? There seems to be a lack of riders due to that fact that the ride opens late.

noggin said:
"...or a blind CP homer?"
I recognize all five words, but put together in that order they make no sense.

Maybe that's because that is not five words. :)

Who needs a source? I have facts. The ride's still there. They spend money on it. If it were truly as dismal and unappealing a ride as you suggest, it would have long since been replaced or demolished. Does it open late due to your suggested low ridership or does it open late due to Cedar Point managing resources?

Let's see..... "Or." That's one. "A." Two. "Blind." That would be three. "CP." There's four. "Homer." And five. Yep. Five words.

I do, I can't just take a random persons opinion as fact. They spent money on wildcat right before that got removed. There are other possible explanations as to why it is still there. It could still be there because the cost to remove the ride isn't justified. It probably opens late to keep costs down and it is not a popular ride so there won't be much of a backlash for opening it late. I have never suggested that the ride is dismal or unappealing just trying to understand how you came to your conclusion.

CP is a word? Pretty sure that is an abbreviation, which would result in there being four words. I guess you could say there was six words because it is read as "Or a blind Cedar Point Homer", yep six words. :)

The conclusion can be drawn from the fact that they are investing a great deal of money in its maintenance.....as has been said many times before.

And if memory serves me right, they open late due to the maintenance that it has to go under every day (with maint having to walk the entire track). Suggesting that it opens late to keep costs down or because it's not a popular ride aren't very good arguments unless you have the facts to back it.

So if you want to ask what noggins sources are to prove that it's drawing sufficient riders, then what are your sources to suggest that "There seems to be a lack of riders due to that fact that the ride opens late." I would love to know how you came to that hypothesis.

The main thing here is to look at the undeniable fact that Cedar Point has invested heavily in Mean Streak. It can only mean one thing. Common sense should say that it's not to tear it out in the near future.....but you're free to come up with whatever conclusion you want to. And, for the record, Wild Cat is not a strong backing argument for you since it's quite a different situation compared to Mean Streak.

" It could still be there because the cost to remove the ride isn't justified."

In other words, it's making enough money for the park to remain. Thank you for agreeing with me.

For the record, I'm pretty sure that the ride is still there is not an opinion. That would be a fact. Cedar Fair has spent money on the ride. A fact. Not an opinion. How do you come to the conclusion that two objective statements are a "random persons [sic] opinion" and not facts?

It doesn't have to be a "popular" ride. It has to be a ride with enough annual ridership to justify its remaining in place. Which, since it is still standing, it must be.

"CP is a word?" Um..... someone with such a vague sense of grammar and spelling as you probably shouldn't be calling out others. And whether you spell Cedar Point out or not, it still doesn't make sense.

Nice to come back from work to see I have started some discussion during the off season;)

"it were truly as dismal and unappealing a ride as you suggest, it would have long since been replaced or demolished."

It took them years to remove the unappealing Disaster Transport, Why wouldn't it take just as much to do something with MS? As I said, they don't usually do something as major as redoing MS often. Usually every 5 years (and I agree about the maintenance), so I wouldn't expect them to do anything (if they did) for another few years. But maybe less if the economy improves since this is much cheaper than say a new steel coaster.

If CP did do this then I doubt it would simply be a larger version of NTG. Add inversions, I like the ones on Goliath, tunnels, steeper drop ect. Heck they could expand the ride out to the infield a bit.

And sorry, go to CP on a busy day. The line for Maverick will be 2 hours while MS will be a 15 min wait almost everytime. Usually it's a walk on. CCMR has longer lines than MS at times. For god sakes it takes up more land than any ride in the park and its a freakin walk on.

I'm not forcing my opinion on you or anyone else, just putting mine out there. What you do with it is your choice;)And no, CP is not a word. And for the heck of it... CAPS!!!!

noggin said:
" It could still be there because the cost to remove the ride isn't justified."

In other words, it's making enough money for the park to remain. Thank you for agreeing with me.

For the record, I'm pretty sure that the ride is still there is not an opinion. That would be a fact. Cedar Fair has spent money on the ride. A fact. Not an opinion. How do you come to the conclusion that two objective statements are a "random persons [sic] opinion" and not facts?

It doesn't have to be a "popular" ride. It has to be a ride with enough annual ridership to justify its remaining in place. Which, since it is still standing, it must be.

"CP is a word?" Um..... someone with such a vague sense of grammar and spelling as you probably shouldn't be calling out others. And whether you spell Cedar Point out or not, it still doesn't make sense.[/sic]

First of all me saying "It could still be there because the cost to remove the ride isn't justified." does not mean i agree with you. That statement means there is a cost associated with removing a ride and that cost may not be met yet. They would still put money into the ride it would be removed in a few years as they wouldn't want the ride looking like crap or running like crap, because it would hurt their image.
Those two things you stated are facts, but alone those two facts do not in any way prove that the ride has "sufficient ridership". I did see you brought up Gatekeeper and that replaced disaster transport that has sufficient ridership because it was still there the year before and they spent money on it. They can and will remove rides if they see the opportunity to change that area for the better.
I know I am not great at grammar, but at least I know what is a word and what isn't. :) (smiley face is a well known symbol on the internet known to represent a joke or lighthearted fun, so no need to get all grumpy and defensive. If you are getting mad over a comment on a forum then you have some big issues :) )

I'm not mad. Not worth the effort over roller coasters. Just saying: someone who can't take the time to spell a word correctly really shouldn't be critical of others "mistakes".

So Geico is actually four words (Government Employees Insurance Company)? Okay. And BP is not the single word name of a company (British Petroleum). Got it.

Make up your mind. First you said my "facts" were just my opinions. Now you're saying my facts are indeed facts.

You seem to think there is only one metric by which to determine whether a ride should be kept: ridership. When, in reality, any business brings a number of metrics to bear in making capital investment decisions. Cedar Fair had a number of objectives in play introducing Gatekeeper, including improving visibility of the beach and re-designing the main entrance, not simply adding a new coaster.

cpfourlife1 said:
....go to CP on a busy day. The line for Maverick will be 2 hours while MS will be a 15 min wait almost everytime. Usually it's a walk on. CCMR has longer lines than MS at times. For god sakes it takes up more land than any ride in the park and its a freakin walk on.

So maybe it's an unpopular ride. Or maybe it's a mid-level ride, in terms of park-wide ridership, that efficiently handles its ridership.

Yes, MS does occupy a large plot of land. In an out of the way corner of the park. With a single access point. That's repeatedly rendered inaccessible by the passing trains. Disaster Transport was located in a far accessible part of the park; the removal of which allowed CF to accomplish multiple goals.

I think the criticism and questioning of Mean Streak's continued existence in its present state is justified. That coaster has a long history of complaints.

Not every Dinn and Summers coaster was a failure. The Beast built in-house at KI was what prompted them to start their corporation.

We don't think dinosaurs are worth $20. I understand if it's no skin off CP's nose in having it there. Perhaps they'll get rid of it when attendance wanes. It can't stay there forever.

^Yes but beast wasn't built soley by Dinn and Summers. Beast is like an abusive relationship. It is the only coaster that can beat the crap out of me and Ill still ride it again (I know terrible joke);)

And regardless of the location of MS, its not hidden at all. You can see it from many areas in the park. And the train drops people off right there! The fact is that CP gets a lot of return customers. They go ride MS, and they get off complaining and don't ride the dang thing again. My friends and family members wont ride it. Being an enthusiast, I will say "hey you guys wanna ride MS," and they will respond "no, I feel like being able to walk around the park the rest of the day."

Will something be done in the next few years? Probably not. The next decade? I think its a good posibility. And why not? The structure of the ride is beautiful. I know people on this site have talked about extending a pathway from the right of MS's entrance, to the Gemini bathrooms by going through what is currently part of maintenance. CP is already moving many of their facilitates off the peninsula.

Who has said Mean Streak is "hidden"? That is certainly one ride it would be hard to hide. That said, you can only really see the ride from Frontiertown, Perimeter Road, and downtown Sandusky. (And yes, from several coasters, but how many people are counting up the coasters they can see when climbing a lift hill?)

"...CP gets a lot of return customers...they get off complaining and don't ride the dang thing again..." -- these seem to be contradictory statements. If people who ride it once don't want to ride it again, why would return customers ride it again?

Beyond that: Cedar Fair doesn't care if the people riding Mean Streak are repeat riders or not. As long as it meets whatever minimums they've established, and they have no better use for the land, they'll keep it in place.

^I'm talking about customers who return to the park and go on a yearly basis or more. Not return customers to MS.

You're talking about customers who return to the park on a yearly basis, but don't ride Mean Streak.

Okay...but what you said was "The fact is that CP gets a lot of return customers. They go ride MS, and they get off complaining..." In one sentence you say that Cedar Point gets a lot of return customers, and in the next sentence you say that "they" go ride Mean Streak. Who does that "they" refer to, if not the return visitors you referred to in the previous sentence?

^hey now I made a grammatical error and I cleared that up in my previous response. We all make mistakes, kinda like when you said "or a blind CP homer" was five words;)

Point is that there are many people who live with in a couple hours of the park (including me) that come every year if not more. I have personally observed many people who are repeat customers come back to the park, and make the decision not to ride MS due to previous ride experiences. Instead they all go to Maverick and wait two hours in a line. That's a problem.

"Or a blind CP homer" is five words. Sorry. Here's the obligbatory smiley face: :-)

So let me see if I've got this right. You, and "many" people, "come" to the park every year, if not more. So you and your "many" people may or may not visit the park more than once a year.

On your one, or possibly more, annual visits, you have personally observed "many" people not ride Mean Streak. So, on this once, or, possibly more than one visit to the park each year, you spent your entire day observing how many people rode Mean Streak? And every last person who decides not to ride Mean Streak goes over and rides Maverick? So none of them ride any of the other coasters in the park instead of Mean Streak. right.

I understand and will vouch for what cpfourlife1 is saying. I know many people myself that will not ride it again and that are annual visitors. I still remember talking to a couple in a line who rode it for the first time and thought it was awful and said they wouldn't ride it again.

Take it for what you will, purely anecdotal, (I think it's a sampling of the bigger picture) but it doesn't take away from the fact that the ride is absolutely huge but is a always a walk-on.

Noggin just needs to seek some religious advice about MS.

http://diylol.com/meme-generator/jesus-says/memes/jesus-says-kill-it-with-fire