Next major ride

My. Isn't that cute.

Coaster enthusiasts who "know" a lot of people that don't like the ride does not equal the ride not meeting whatever Cedar Fair considers the appropriate minimum statistics for retaining a ride.

So you are saying you "know?"

Besides, its not like they meet those statistics and just tear down the ride right then and there. For all we know it has met those "statistics" and there are plans to take it out in a few years;)

Wherever did I say I know anything?

I'm just making an educated guess cause you see to have a lot of confidence in your opinion.

3snoH un=l, already backed me up on this, and all you have to do is listen to the comments guests have once MS's train hits the final breaks.

Just saying that whatever the next major ride is, I would say a redo of MS. That or the Blue Streak Midway.

Dead Sexeh said:
You state that the ride provides a variety, but fail to say anywhere in your comment that a coaster couldn't add variety.

So, if I don't say something, that means I endorse the opposite? That makes no sense. Unless you're Bill O'Reilly.

redsfan said:
IThey sold a waterpark to refurbish Breakers, even if that is just a repaint of the exterior.

The Breakers project is a complete inside and outside makeover, not just a repaint of the exterior. It's a two year project that is actually the largest project ever done at CP.

cpfourlife1 said:
...and all you have to do is listen to the comments guests have once MS's train hits the final breaks.

Just an aside, I remember late 90's riding it and my brother and I were laughing watching people return to the station, nobody had a smile on their face and looked like they were in pain. It was very painful then (vibrations) and that's about when I stopped riding it until this past summer I tried it again based on reports here. But you have to ride it a certain way, etc., but even at that, it's a big dud with the trims.

noggin said:
I'm not mad. Not worth the effort over roller coasters. Just saying: someone who can't take the time to spell a word correctly really shouldn't be critical of others "mistakes".

So Geico is actually four words (Government Employees Insurance Company)? Okay. And BP is not the single word name of a company (British Petroleum). Got it.

Make up your mind. First you said my "facts" were just my opinions. Now you're saying my facts are indeed facts.

You seem to think there is only one metric by which to determine whether a ride should be kept: ridership. When, in reality, any business brings a number of metrics to bear in making capital investment decisions. Cedar Fair had a number of objectives in play introducing Gatekeeper, including improving visibility of the beach and re-designing the main entrance, not simply adding a new coaster.

Glad you finally understand what is an abbreviation and what is a word. Man that is a tough concept :)

Sorry my first reply wasn't clear, your facts are indeed facts, but those two facts do not prove your opinion as correct.

I was using ridership because you were using that to prove that it should stay. As you have said they have been spending a fair amount of money to re-track the ride, so it could be that doing a RMC transformation could save them money in the long run by reducing the maintenance cost.

djDaemon said:

Dead Sexeh said:
You state that the ride provides a variety, but fail to say anywhere in your comment that a coaster couldn't add variety.

So, if I don't say something, that means I endorse the opposite? That makes no sense. Unless you're Bill O'Reilly.

No, I am not saying that. If you read peoples entire post instead of picking certain sentences or phrases you would see what I meant. The way your comment was phrased and the discussion that was going on at the time lead to your statement implying that there is no possibility that removing DA for a coaster could make sense. I hope you could focus longer enough to read my entire post :)

Dead Sexeh said:
Sorry my first reply wasn't clear, your facts are indeed facts, but those two facts do not prove your opinion as correct.

I was using ridership because you were using that to prove that it should stay. As you have said they have been spending a fair amount of money to re-track the ride, so it could be that doing a RMC transformation could save them money in the long run by reducing the maintenance cost.

It's not that your reply wasn't clear; your reply said the opposite of what you're saying now. I hope you realize that my opinions are not "correct". They are just my opinions.

Sure. It could be that doing an RMC transformation could save them money. It could also be the Cedar Fair is fine with the ride as it is.

3snoH un=l said:
Just an aside, I remember late 90's riding it and my brother and I were laughing watching people return to the station, nobody had a smile on their face and looked like they were in pain.

So... almost twenty years ago you did nothing at Cedar Point but monitor the reactions of people riding Mean Streak for ten or more hours a day.

Or is this just anecdotal "evidence."

In 2005, when I rode Mean Streak, I felt like my heart was going to burst through my chest and my neck hurt for 3 days after that, I pledged to never ride it again.

Then this year, my sister talked me back onto it after saying it was retracked and smoothed out. It's alot better now and I don't feel like I'm going to die on it.

Pete, I was only suggesting that the outside needed attention in a bad way. I know they are doing more than painting the outside. The resorts are a huge asset to the company and were in a dire need for refreshment. It they had a resort at every one of their parks that would be better yet. Seems the seagulls had the best of the hotels over the years.

I love mean streak! The retracking to me has brought it back to being a must ride every time I go to the park. I think it is just a ride capacity/location issue that makes people think nobody rides it. I'd say that 1/4 of the visitors to the park that ride it would be upset at it's demise. I think the best rides at the park are the ones you don't have to wait in line for.

noggin said:

So... almost twenty years ago you did nothing at Cedar Point but monitor the reactions of people riding Mean Streak for ten or more hours a day.

Or is this just anecdotal "evidence."

Yes.

For 10 hours.

Come on!

Do I really have to explain that when we stand in line for the rides we notice people coming back happy, laughing, cheering, and at least smiling and looking pleased? That NEVER happened with Mean Streak and there were frowns. I think we tried it a couple years in a row or so then and it was that noticeable. I'm sorry but it seems to me like you are really disconnected to the surroundings or something that you aren't understanding.

Now- it's not so painful. But in order to achieve that you have to ride in the front, back off the seat, blah, blah, in addition to riding a slow and sputtering giant. A waste of space.

Now you have some people on here that have hit the lottery a few times and got some trimless rides that were fantastic so they don't want to see it go. Am I ever going to catch that trimless ride? That's kind of like getting a rollback on TTD.

Then there's some people on here that don't want to see it go because there's no wait for it. I personally think if it was a better draw, the line for Maverick wouldn't be so bad. I don't believe people don't notice it, it's huge.

I would at least like to see it be improved from its current state to make it a better ride or like it was in the beginning.

noggin said:

It's not that your reply wasn't clear; your reply said the opposite of what you're saying now. I hope you realize that my opinions are not "correct". They are just my opinions.

Sure. It could be that doing an RMC transformation could save them money. It could also be the Cedar Fair is fine with the ride as it is.

Actually I never said those weren't facts. When I asked you how you knew the ride had a sufficient ridership you said you had facts. That insinuates that you have facts to prove the ride has sufficient ridership. I was saying those two facts do not prove that your claim the ride has sufficient ridership as fact. You said MS has sufficient ridership, a statement you claim is true. By claiming a statement true like that one you are saying it is a fact.

Dead Sexeh said:
The way your comment was phrased and the discussion that was going on at the time lead to your statement implying that there is no possibility that removing DA for a coaster could make sense.

I never made such a statement, implied or otherwise. Perhaps instead of accusing others of poor reading ability, you should work on your own comprehension skills.

3snoH un=l said:
Do I really have to explain that when we stand in line for the rides we notice people coming back happy, laughing, cheering, and at least smiling and looking pleased? That NEVER happened with Mean Streak and there were frowns.....I'm sorry but it seems to me like you are really disconnected to the surroundings or something that you aren't understanding.

Well, I'm understanding that you are interpreting anecdotes as evidence. Because you observed something several times over the course of infrequent rides does not in turn mean those things are an accurate indicator of how all the riders in a season feel about the ride.

I'm understanding that saying Maverick has long lines and Mean Streak does not have long lines does not necessarily equal Mean Streak being an "unride-able" ride that nobody visiting the park likes. (It's like saying McDonald's sells billions more burgers than Applebee's, therefore Applebee's must have terrible burgers.)

I'm understanding that Cedar Fair is a company that has long had a strong focus on the bottom line. It's not, I think, unreasonable to believe that as long as the ride meets whatever Cedar Fair has determined to be the minimum ridership numbers, as long as the ride's location isn't needed for a different addition to the park, the ride is going to remain at the park.

One of my favorite moments at the park happened while waiting to get on Mean Streak. As the train came back, the kid sitting in the seat we were about to get in was holding his head, and had a dazed look. When he got up, he slowly exit with help from his friend. That kid did not have a good time.

My last two visits, I've gone on it, but only because the other rides went down due to weather. It's probably my least favorite coaster in the park. I can't help but envision a transformion to the back of the park, similar to the one we got this year.

djDaemon said:

Dead Sexeh said:
The way your comment was phrased and the discussion that was going on at the time lead to your statement implying that there is no possibility that removing DA for a coaster could make sense.

I never made such a statement, implied or otherwise. Perhaps instead of accusing others of poor reading ability, you should work on your own comprehension skills.

Ahem....

djDaemon said:
What sense does it make to remove an attraction that provides variety (Dinos Alive), only to install yet another coaster?

To give you information about the context this quote was taken from here is the initial comment that started the discussion resulting in your post

TheRealMaverick said:
Anyone have a time machine to make that deal expire...say maybe tomorrow? After seeing Dollywood's new family coaster I would think something similar would be a nice fit for the park. We don't have the terrain, but a station in the current dinostore/former paddle wheel station with the ride through the woods on Millennium Island(will never call it by its new name) would be cool. With some sort of water feature that doesn't get you wet in the Shoot the Rapids pond. But a Chance style coaster similar to the new coaster at Kentucky Kingdom in the same spot could be interesting as well wrapping through MF would be cool too.

Not to be too off subject but I am really a fan of the new improvements to current areas at Knotts by CF. We could use more of that throughout the park.

Seems pretty clear that you were saying there is in no way removing DA for a coaster could make sense.

It may seem clear to you. Can you explain what is so clear to those of us not as terrifically clever as you?

Dead Sexeh said:
Seems pretty clear that you were saying there is in no way removing DA for a coaster could make sense.

So, in your world "how does it makes sense" equates to "there's no possible way it could make sense".

Got it. That's a pretty insane leap of logic, but it does explain a lot.