Next Big Coaster

Exactly! IMO Diamondback vs Magnum is night and day. The only similarity between them is that they are both considered a hyper coaster. I definitely think Diamondback would be an amazing fit with CP's current ride lineup. It would not be too similar at all to Magnum or Millennium.

True, but shouldn't the question be is it feasible for Cedar Point to have all 4 at one park? And 3 have similar layouts, and 2 just happen to be by the same manufacturer.

I'm just saying, I would hope that Cedar Point would look to diversify their coaster lineup even further next time around, instead of building an out-and-back steel coaster.

For the record, I love Diamondback and have no complaints about it. In fact, I like it more than Magnum, even though Maggie is a special coaster to me.

B&M just understands how to design coasters with airtime and the trains to deliver that experience. Arrow didn't unfortunately. But that doesn't mean Magnum isn't a great ride. We just don't need another one in the same park, IMO.

Oh just give me a B&M flying coaster so we can end this discussion. :)

Sparty42 said:
True, but shouldn't the question be is it feasible for Cedar Point to have all 4 at one park?

Of course it's feasible. Cedar Fair puts a lot of time, money and resources into understanding what its customers want. If the data supports four such coasters at one park, they're going to consider it.

That's right. And the data said: Maverick & Gatekeeper. (Also, apparently, STR)

Again, CP looks like they are no longer in the Coaster Wars period. That means if you want "all 4" at CP you have to decide whether you would be happier with those 4, or Maggie, Millie, Maverick & Gatekeeper.

As Gonch has said, the question is "Is the coaster GOOD?" Once you get the y/n on that, you decide WHICH good coasters get added to the existing lineup.

Any coaster that CP chooses to add means that another coaster isn't added.

redsfan said:
They should just enclose CCMR inside of a building. Ta Da! Dark ride.

I Don't in any way see how you could consider DiamondBack as your favorite ride at KI. Mine is Adventure Express. Nostalgia I guess. If you could still ride Racers backwards it would be my favorite. Even Vortex is different with all the inversions. Beast is the best ride there. Whatever their dark ride is called, that's fun. But Diamondback is lame compared to Magnum and Millenium.

Diamondback is phenomenal, and it was welcomed with open arms by me because of riding Apollo's Chariot, which was a game-changing coaster. It's the feeling of barely being in the seat that rules. I can only imagine if Millennium had the same seats.

And it's your opinion, but Adventure Express? I can't ever forgive for a coaster that ends with the lift hill.

topthrilldragster4lyf said:
Oh just give me a B&M flying coaster so we can end this discussion.

Flying coasters suck.

Jeff said:
There is no universe where Diamondback is lame.

There was unfortunately. Last year last two months they had several worn/bad wheels, very violent headache causing jackhammering on the ride. I only could ride once and that was it, and I needed to take a break. This season however it's much much better. Just swapped some wheels, good as new. But man that was crazy last season.

^^ Jeff, what do you have against them?

Jeff have you never rode Tatsu at Six Flags Magic Mountain? If not, you should. It WILL change your "sucky" opinion.

To make a flyer really exciting though, you need the trees and terrain that CP just does not have.

^ Which is exactly why Cedar Point shouldn't get one.

There are, what, 2 world-class flying coasters out there? Tatsu and Manta? Tatsu is more of a terrain flyer with a bit of intensity, and Manta is similar on a smaller scale.

All of the other B&M flyers out there are sub-par as far as their layouts are concerned, and the Vekomas are all the same.

The track record just isn't there for a flyer like an Inverted or Hyper or even the Dive Machines (although those have limited layouts so far as well).

Cedar Fair should take a queue from Universal Orlando, and link their two Ohio parks together with a train like they did with the two Harry Potter attractions. Disney did it with monorails, and from Jeff's train of thought - a pneumatic tube system would likely placate his opinion of just how to do it.

It would...

Regain the overall coaster war by combining the count of both parks into one tally that would blow away the competition that would be really hard to beat.

Put an end to the "they have / we have" this type or that type discussion because between the two locations, there would be little else out there to round out the portfolio.

Utilize the Disney/Universal multi-park multi-day experience to generate even more profits.

And even give them another upcharge for the ride between locations!

20 years from now, all the parks in the chain could be connected - especially if they got some of the government high speed rail funds to offset the cost!

It's just too bad there isn't a big enough waterway between the tow parks in Ohio - otherwise they would go ahead with a Cedar Fair Cruise Line. Heck, they could consider Geauga Lake as their private Island, and stop there for a day!

SteveH said:
Cedar Fair should take a queue from Universal Orlando, and link their two Ohio parks together with a train like they did with the two Harry Potter attractions.

That won't happen in a million years. Good luck trying to secure a right of way for a track that's 200 miles long to connect CP to KI. And it would be very cost prohibitive.

Come on, man, you've been here long enough to know better.

Okay, this "Big Announcement" might be the announcement we have been waiting for years for, Mean Streak is getting the Rocky Mountain treatment. I went down to Texas last year and rode both the Iron Giant and Iron Rattler and it was one of the best ride experiences I have ever had. That is exactly what Mean Streak needs. Cedar Point can advertise it as an new ride, and just like with Maverick and Gatekeeper, end up laughing their way to the bank.

If that's what winds up happening I would hope it would be closer to New Texas Giant in layout... From everything I've seen Iron Rattler seems like it's really short, like half of the length of the original Rattler. If they kept most of the Mean Streak superstructure (which is easily the most impressive part of it) as well as went with a more subtle track color, I'd go for it.

Lord knows CP doesn't need any more red coasters.

Rumor has it that Six Flags Magic Mountain is closing down their racing woodie for the same Rocky Mountain sort of work - but it won't be a racing coaster when they are done. They might make the track into one consecutive loop over the existing support structure.

Gemini would lend itself to a similar sort of retrofit resulting in a doubling of the length while adding new elements along the way.

While Mean Streak needs anything it can get, Gemini might also be a candidate for this sort of project because MS has already been reworked, and yet it is still unloved.

That's a great idea, actually. Retrofit Gemini so it has steel rails... on a wood structure? Oh, wait.

Retrofit Gemini so that it has updated elements, a much longer length (2x in the same footprint), and improved trains via replacing it's tubular track with the new I-style that can do inversions that were impossible back when Gemini was originally designed.
The racing element of the ride stopped working long ago, and the same train always wins - so why not eliminate that aspect and put some real excitement on that midway?

What's this? OH, it's a whole bag of no........

Don't touch Gemini, it's fine the way it is.