NEWS FLASH!!!! Track and supports sighted

I agree raptor323. If the tophat looks like a giant popcicle, the coaster will look pretty gaudy on the skyline.

Another thought I just had. I read somewhere that Xcelerator gets somewhere around 600 pph, and that would be way to low for Cedar Point's standards. Two Dueling coasters would cure the cause, but I still highly doubt that option (but not ruling it out!).

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Turkeys, the only animal smarter than man

I'm not exactly fond of the "american eagle" or any specifically patriotic name for the new coaster either. Something 400+ high should have a really unique name.

Hey, Chief, what makes you think those boats are only "a few years old"?? Those boats have been around for as long as I can remember. They were originally part of the Western Cruise.

Vitamized: I've only been to CP 3 times this year, but each time Chaos has been running, and has had a line. It is one of the most popular flats CP has. I've only heard of one accident involving a Chaos ride (MiA) and it was noted that the fault was not with the manufacturer, but with maintenance. Maybe I've been a lucky season pass holder as I've never seen Chaos down. I know it was down once this year for a brief period. But I don't see your "unreliability" issue.

Obviously you don't like the ride, or you wouldn't have called it a POS twice (rather juvenile in my book). But I'd bet there are more people who would prefer to see CP move and keep Chaos than those who would prefer to see it removed entirely.

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I'd rather die living than live like I'm dead

I thought that PWE was just being closed early not completely removed. And that Chaos and Trioka were going to be moved elsewhere. Is there news otherwise?

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"Your obssesed w/ that place aren't you?"

Im not sure if this has anything to do with it, but if Cedar Point kept PWE after MF's opening, then why not keep it now? I know a lot of people who like PWE (me being one of them). Its a nice ride to relax and just get off your feet for a few minutes.

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Turkeys, the only animal smarter than man

Hey OlderCPer Cheif is right the boats used on PWE are only a few years old. All of the boats were replaced. Remember as far as many are concerned PWE and WC are two totally different rides. I think the new PWE boats came around for the '97 season.

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Dan Haverlock
"no matter how many fish in the sea it feels so empty without me"

My bad then. I thought they were the same boats used on WC which I remember fondly before Iron Dragon was built. I thought they just moved them to the Gemini Midway and renamed it PWE. I know I rode them when they were preparing the footers for Mantis.

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I'd rather die living than live like I'm dead

WOW, I'm shocked. Two posts the same day by Danny J.

Edit: HA, nevermind just read his thread in the general section. And don't you know not to title a thread with "???" ;)

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This second hill is my favorite part of the ride. It is so Cool!
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Dan not going to CP anymore??..Just a big Scam
Raptor Flights: 538
*** This post was edited by Hooper 8/23/2002 2:21:25 PM ***

Western Cruise boat vs new PWE boat

The Western Cruise dock was relocated to the Gemini Midway for the 1987 season to accommodate Iron Dragon. That's when the ride was renamed 'Paddlewheel Excursions'

Dan is correct. PWE used the old style boats from Western Cruise until being replaced by the new style in 1997.

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Virtual Midway
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*** This post was edited by Gemini 8/23/2002 2:44:49 PM ***

Several people have confirmed (on cbuzz) that the picture here -> users.adelphia.net/~frank126/cp/19.jpg IS A REAL PACKING LIST, IT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE MF's. "Dragster" is most likely a code name, and T-452 MIGHT be the height. Keyword: MIGHT. MF's packing list has the name Gigacoaster, so Dragster is definatly a codename. Notice near the bottom, it says under quantity, 136. Could this mean only 136 track pieces? (note: this IS NOT my site, I AM NOT advertising, just making it know what the packing list says.)
*** This post was edited by S00perGIR 8/23/2002 3:12:01 PM ***

MF's packing list also had code number T-411, so it most likely has nothing to do with height.

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Tommy Penner - Variable X
Cedar Point FanBoy since 2001.

Quality entertainment, Dragster - to have a drag race, obviously, you would need to have 2 vehicles, or 2 coasters side by side. Seems unlikely to me, but who knows.

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When you visit CP, visit my Mill, est. 1835

Well,

After reading the responses to my last post I am fully convinced people don't know how to put two and two together. Regardless of how long a flat ride's line is, it will still have low capacity. This fact is a given and will not be taken into consideration. What WILL be taken into consideration is that when a ride such as Chaos is consistently shut down for maintenance reasons, then its overall capacity will suffer. I am well aware that many people who post here walk by the ride, see it running and think that all is fine and good. Consider that, after the incident at Michigan's Adventure last year, Chaos was shutdown for two weeks. After it reopened, maintenance performed daily white glove inspections on the ride that took much more time and effort than the mandated inspections for most flat rides. After the incident with Chaos this year, you can rest assure that, in the spirit of indemnity, maintenance had to invest extra time and effort into running the ride once again 'just to be on the safe side.'

Does this effort spent signify that the ride is reliable?

Does Cedar Point still thinks the ride is reliable after the two incidents?

I honestly have no clue.

Furthermore, any amusement park rides will have minor mishaps causing striated segments of downtime. In the instance of Chaos, which already has lowered capacity in the past two seasons from the large chunks of downtime created by the unlucky incidents and not even taking the usually nominal flat ride capacity into consideration, is all the effort and time really worth it?

These roundabout musings are what I based my list on. Do I think the ride is unreliable? More than likely. Do I think it has low numbers? Of course it does, it's a flat ride. Is all the investment in money and manhours worth saving a ride with a pretty severe stigma attached to it? That is not my decision and such is why I am not making these decisions for Cedar Fair.

And, for that matter, the people who probably know for sure whether the ride is going to be completely removed or not aren't going to say until announcement time.

If removal DOES happen, I am having little trouble finding just cause.

P.O.S. is a delicate term that I don't use often. Indeed, I think any contraption requiring excessive amounts of preventative upkeep, be it a car, toaster or flatride, is probably not the greatest piece of machinery ever to grace the face of the earth. I agree that my rampant, flippant use of the expression may have been juvenile, but accusing me of being juvenile isn't exactly, umm, un-juvenile if that makes any sense.

(Thanks for giving me an opportunity to defend myself. I need to get in shape for the debate season. :-))

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I am still the Geminazi!

rawr!
*** This post was edited by Vitaminized on Gemini 8/23/2002 11:17:08 PM ***

To answer your questions i would also have to say that i have no clue.

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And all this time I thought I was riding the green train.
5 Raptor 4 WT 3 Superman:UE 2 X-Flight 1 Mille

HyperCoaster- Non-looping Roller Coaster with a 1st hill over 200 ft. tall.

GigaCoaster-Non-looping Roller Coaster with a 1st hill over 300 ft. tall.

Rocket Coaster- Non-looping launched coaster with a 1st hill over 200 ft. tall.

Dragster- Non-looping launched coaster with a 1st hill over *00 ft. tall. (insert 3 or 4)

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Why can't we choose to take "roller coasters" instead of home ec., or woodworking?

Dragster? Did somebody just give it that name or am I missing something?

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LeWiS

"Dragster" was printed on the packing list for the track/supports, next to the code for the ride (T-452). It could have something to do with the name, could have something to do with the type, could have something to do with the theme... we're not sure.

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"Meh."
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Danger: Hgih Voltage!

Yes, you're missing something...go read through the pages again...

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June 28th: LocoBazooka Tour (Sevendust headlining)
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Ohhhh, so I was missing something. That's what you get for not paying attention to the coaster world for several seconds. ;)

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LeWiS

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