NEWS FLASH!!!! Track and supports sighted

Who said you would ride over the tophat. What about under?

Picture a tophat. When going up, instead of turning to the outside to ride over the top, you turn to the inside and go upside down. With enough speed, hopefully only a lapbar will be needed. Could this be a new element?
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Steve Sergent
MF count: 192

Actually, that's what was usually thought of as a "tophat" until Xcelerator opened. The Premier launched rides with with tophat inversions come to mind -- not a new element.

And those run with lapbars now...

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--Greg
My Home
MF count: 54

I meant a new element on the "rocket coaster" instead of the Xcelerator tophat.

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Steve Sergent
MF count: 192

As much as I absolutely love the Premier tophats, I'd say I'd still rather have the new CP ride to have an Xcelerator type tophat. That is only because I like negative G's more then the whole wow I'm upside down feeling. Hopefully they will shoot the train over fast enough to deliver a juicy amount of airtime. :)

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*** This post was edited by Inverted Andrew 9/18/2002 4:16:00 PM ***

Duh, I totally forgot about the train track being in the way of the PWE dock. Well, scrap that idea. :)

What's to say the tophat has to lbe a replica of the one on Xcelerator...:)

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Inverted Andrew: Have you *been* on one of the Mr. Freeze coasters or Batman: The Chiller? Whenever I have ridden them (and I have ridden all 3) there was a nice healty dose of negavite "floaty" Gs in the tophats. Plus the visuals were just fantastic!

lata, jeremy

--who notes "T" is an "original" tophat fan too

Ok, I'm new to this forum, so bear with me please.....I just have a response to majin heero - I think its about time someone puts some major inversions in a tall coaster. Wether it be mega, giga, tera...whatever. Its no secret to CP that they can have inversions without otsr's. If PKI can do it on flight of fear (which I must say, made that ride 20 times better) and son of beast, then you know CP can. I say throw in some inversions no matter how high it soars above the earth. This was in no way intended to offend. I'm not trying to start a war like kristina did. Thank You

Well, considering Intamin's "signature" moves are contiuous(sp?) barrel rolls taken at slower speeds, OTSR's might be a good idea. The again, whose to say this coaster has inversions anyways?

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LeWiS

I guess it's really just about personal preference... personally, I'd rather have massive overbanked turns (new record for overbankment?), bunny hops, floater hills, and a helix than loops or an inverted top hat. I know that sounds a lot like MF - but think about it... this coaster will be all about height, speed, and acceleration. Throwing in inversions would throw off the coaster IMO.

I know that it is possible to have inversions without OTSRs, and I agree that FOF is 20 times better now, but they are just different rides.

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"Meh."
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OTSR's are never a good idea. That's 30 years of looping dogma you speak of.

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Jeff
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OK. To answer a "few" questions. There is a land bridge over to Millenium island...to let the construction equipment get over to the island to carve away land ,like I said in my initial post. What do you think they had to do when they were building MF and Iron Dragon? Secondly someone said there are way too many supports in the parking lot to justify a reverse freefall. Wrong. Look at a pic of S:TE and lots of supports are definitely needed underneath the horizontal section of the launch track. Third, construction is taking place almost dead center of CP peninsula. The "tallest" new structure on the Point would look wonderful on the CP skyline here. Another point, the lagoon has been dammed and drained a few times over the last several decades to fill in areas with dirt where water once was. Anyone who remembers the old "travel path" of PWE knows there is land around Iron Dragon that wasn't there before 87'(hence the damming and bridging). My initial post to this board explains why I believe this is being done(to fill in land where water currently is). I believe someone said that there would be a few who wouldn't be happy with this coaster? Why not? Sounds like most on this board would love a "rocket coaster w/top hat". The only people who wouldn't be happy with the new ride are those who would see a reverse freefall after all of the bickering between CP and SFMM recently and who want something else instead. Remember those magnetic brakes your seeing in the parking lot are also on S:TE. Until I see footers and supports on Millenium Island, I'm not convinced of an "Xcelerator type" coaster being built next year. **Question, can anyone who's been to the Point recently, (not looked carefully at pictures on a website),verify that there are supports pointing outward and "outside" the new mammoth tower to support this new top hat track that is going over this one tower? Let me know. My opinion of a reverse freefall stands box track or not. Let the debate begin again!!

"What is right isn't always popular; what is popular isn't always right." .....anonymous

I am not a fan of OTSRs. But I have to admit that Intamin's are comfortable. But Intamin is new to this arena and it will take a few years of operation to see if they hold up, or become headbangers like Arrow or Vekoma(OUCH). Surpisingly,Collosus at Thorpe Park was a joy to ride. Even with OTSR,it seemed very open. The trains were basically the same style as MF. I rode front and back and never banged my head. Again,it is new.

If it has barrel rolls,it will have them. It goes slow enough to need them. I just love slow barrel rolls and corkscrews! But that's just my opinion.

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*** This post was edited by Magnum "Candy" Man 9/19/2002 12:40:38 AM ***

Intamin coasters don't seem to age well. Millennium Force has a lot more give in the wheels than it did opening year and even WT is starting to get more play than Tim Couch before his injury.

can anyone who's been to the Point recently, (not looked carefully at pictures on a website),verify that there are supports pointing outward and "outside" the new mammoth tower to support this new top hat track that is going over this one tower?

I can verify that construction is not up this high yet, but near ground level there is clearly a support on both left and right sides of the tower indicating an "up" and a "down" side.

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- John
"Look, Sky Ride's running... Nobody fart!"
*** This post was edited by Michael Darling 9/19/2002 1:07:16 AM ***

Now I can't wait for the announcement just to bring CPfan76 back to reality. Dude, your posts just don't make any sense. Have you ever been on STE? Have you even been to SFMM? The break fins on site at CP are exactly like the ones on Xcelerator. Those on STE look nothing like them. Your long and out-of-left-field posts are becoming painful to read.

Not to get too into the whole debate with CPfan76, but...

Consider one thing here. Those fins mounted on the track now in the parking lot at CP are for Intamin's magnetic braking system, right? We all know that from past rides. Here's the key though...those things are permanently mounted. As in, they can't be raised or lowered. How exactly do you propose they launch the ride up to 100+mph through it's own brakerun?!? The train sure ain't gonna get going very fast...I can tell you that. Those pieces are for one place and one place alone...the very end of a complete circuit ride.

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James Draeger
-Captain Sarcasm

CPfan76 said:
There is a land bridge over to Millenium island...to let the construction equipment get over to the island to carve away land ,like I said in my initial post.

OMG! No waaaaay!

Dude, give it up, it's not a reverse freefall, and the brakes in the parking lot are not found anywhere on S:TE. As Draegs said, you can't launch something through fixed brakes.

Intamin coasters don't seem to age well. Millennium Force has a lot more give in the wheels than it did opening year and even WT is starting to get more play than Tim Couch before his injury.

That's not really a symptom of aging, that's a symptom of not replacing the parts frequently. Springs wear out, they need to be replaced.

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Jeff
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CPfan76 said:My opinion of a reverse freefall stands box track or not.

Dude,

Get over yourself. CP is not getting one of these and if you want one you are going to have to move to Valencia. Since when does CP do something just because SFMM has one anyway?!? Last time I checked CP was the park to beat and has usually been rated one of the top parks - more so than SFMM.
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cyberdman

Another large brace has been added to the top of the rocket...

looks like the tower construction is moving really slowly.

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- Dennis

I think the construction process is moving along very quickly. I am actually surprised to see supports up this early.

Besides, why in the world would the park want a S:TE type of ride anyways? It sucks, probably one of the worst rides at the mountain. I think the point has a little more...taste, in good rides that is.

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