NEWS FLASH!!!! Track and supports sighted

Draegs, thanks for giving a good informative reason on the braking system and being kind in the process. Cyberdman sorry as much as I love CP and think they're #1 in the world they have copied off of other parks before but done it BETTER. King Cobra...Mantis, S:UE at SFwoa...Wicked Twister. Thanks to all that make this board a "welcome" place to post. I'll let other longtime CPfans such as myself know.

CPfan76 - I didn't say you weren't welcome to post, just that your idea is, well, quite far fetched when we are a pretty darn certain it will be very much like Xcelerator. As far as your CP "copies" remark - you just further proved my point. Those "copies" you mentioned, hmmm, I think those are all examples of rides from CP's direct competition in Ohio. CP is not in competition with SFMM. Sure being one of the best parks bar none they want to have the best, biggest and most selection, but if anything there is another Cedar Fair park which is in direct competition for marketshare with SFMM - KBF. Oh yes, and while we are on the subject, where is Xcelerator located?

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Mantis opened 12 years after King Cobra.

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Hee Hee. Good point Maniac!

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cyberdman

As much as I would love to see an Xcelerator type ride at CP, Im not sure its going to happen. The supports that are visable now, in the park. (Ive been investigating in person as I work here) Are nothing like what I see on the Xcelerator. However this is not to say that they havent redesigned the ride somewhat due to "learning" from KBF's version. We'll see. Whatever it is, Im surprised to see began so early. Its going to be a big thing.

There is also alot more track laying around the park than I have seen reported on this site.

It should probably be Iron Wolf-Mantis. Those are both B&Ms too.

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If you think about it, in a way, Mantis spawned a small, quite small, generation of giant stand-ups.

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- Benjamin Franklin
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Thanks Troy for your insight. I'm trying to picture what the layout of this new coaster will look like, where it will start and finish? It's hard this early to picture the cleared out space being permissible enough to accomodate track, tower(s), cueue lines, entrance theming and station. I agree with your opinion that the pics of the tower I've seen so far look nothing like Xelerator's. I went to SFMM and KBF when I visited my aunt in Orange County. I plan on going to CP tomorrow afternoon (when the weather is better) and taking a close look at the footer layout and the tower construction. I will take pics. Here's my new concern: Does anyone think that PWE will be closing because of the new coaster? I hope not. I've been riding since the mid70's and I think alot of the "old-timers" enjoy this ride. I know I do even though I am a coaster fanatic. This is one of the main reasons why it's hard for me to see CP "screw" with the theming here after all of the time and effort relocating and building the new dock from the current Iron Dragon site. Also, any ideas where the new station will sit? Only place I can picture is where Corkscrew Refreshments(nacho stand) was. Let me know.

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Read some earlier threads. PWE, Troika, and Chaos are all staying.

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Hello...

About red and white track-- they paint extremely tall radio towers those colors. Maybe Cedar Point is going to create the first 24/7 amusement park radio station in Ohio?

Seriously, I know federal law doesn't require all 400+ foot amusement devices to be painted that way (re: S:TE), but could there be a need/theme along those lines-- eg. visibility?

The finish line thing *seems* plausible to me, but isn't the track curving (it looks that way from photos)? Wouldnt the 'finish line' be a flat level stretch of track before the break run--or the break run itself? Sorry if this has been asked before--I know this font of knowledge has been known to bite back;)

-albert

Hmmm Thats an interesting observation Albert... I never thought of that. (The color requirement thing) But actually, now that I think of it, I havent see ONE piece of straight track. Every peice that Ive seen has been curved. I will have to pay more attention tomorrow, but Im pretty sure there arent any straight pieces here yet. In addition.... IF your theory IS correct about the red/white pieces being over the 400 foot mark, we are in for a hell of a ride seeing how the pieces are curved... Interesting *scratches chin*

the first Radio station roller coaster. It would be easier to just put some NAV. lights for the planes to see...there are tall building taller then 400+ feet and their not painted red and white.

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http://www.virtualmidway.com/mystery/attraction21.jpg

It looks like straight track, but it *is* just a photo, so you never know.

-albert

Ohhh Ive never seen that pic :) And those pieces arent there now. I was just basing it on what Ive seen in the park. Im sure there MUST be more straight pieces than that. Just havent seen them.

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Here we are, one month after the first piece of track was spotted. What have we learned since then? Not much. But, the construction seems to be moving pretty fast, IMHO, from delivery to erection.

The towers where I live are all solid white.

And those are twice (if not more) the size of MF.

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Just because Xcelerator had two support towers doesn't mean this one has to. Being twice as tall, I'm sure a single tower will apply much less stress to the track and supports towards the top than two towers that could move indepently from each other.

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geez! all I did was post what I was told. I wasn't trying to start a war! and I'm sorry if I pissed anyone off. I thought you would be interested. not that you care, but my uncle REALLY is working on this ride. And, everything I've posted is exactly what he told me, so it seems like a reliable source. I was a lil confused at first, I didnt really know how to explain it. It is one ride with 2 tracks, but from what I can understand, its only 2 tracks in some places. Like the track splits. I dont know if that makes sense. anyways, if you think you know what I mean, thats cool, and again, I AM NOT POSTING THIS TO INCITE A WAR. I can't beileve somone acctually posted that I was! grrrrrrrrrr whatever. later

That is what happens to alot of the new posters, I thought I had a good idea about what was going on in the area and was ripped to pieces on this and other sites.

so just keep posting...

In reference to the colors required at the top of a structure, check out FAA AC 70. Cedar Point has to clear heights of rides with the FAA. Unfortunately, for us up in MN, we will NEVER see a coaster over the 275 ft range unless Valleyfair moves to a new location (can't ever see that happening) due to Flying Cloud Airport being so close (I flew over VF the other week departing to the south from Flying Cloud so I understand why). From the Valleyfair website:

Only FAA height regulations from Flying Cloud Airport prevented Power Tower from being even taller

It could be possible since the track color is mainly red that CP had to put in some alternating white sections towards the top for "checkerboard" visibility (daytime). This may have been required by the FAA for VFR pilots especially with the Sandusky Airport being nearby. Requirements on marking with colors all depends on the actual structure visibility. Once again, CP has to work with the FAA, which brings up something. In AC 70, it calls out for FAA form 7460-1 "Notice of proposed construction or alteration" to be filed. Part 1 has to be filed before construction and part 2 within 5 days after the highest part is constructed. It would be interesting to see if a copy of this form could be obtained for actual height!

I'm glad to see VF and CP getting new rides next year although VF's doesn't excite me as I've been to IL to ride V2. If only we could have a B&M Inverted, Stand Up, Floorless or a great woodie like Ghostrider.. Ok, back to my dreaming!