NEWS FLASH!!!! Track and supports sighted

I really cant see this intamin coaster becoming a reverse free fall, and this is why:

There is a very large amount of yellow supports in the parking, many more than are needed to complete the single tower. (if they had more than one tower then they would have had more footers ready)

The construction does make a straight line to area 51 but a reverse free fall is not nearly as wide as the area being cleared out, which would be a large waste of space.

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CPfan76 said:
Forcedude, that's EXACTLY what I'm saying.

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So are you just ignoring the long sections of track that arrived with the brass plates on them for braking, just like those found on Xcelerator?

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Jeff
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In repsonse to DaveTKoch post:

Why not move PWE's dock alltogether? I never really liked the placement of that ride...it seemed too "Frontier-ish" to not belong in Frontier Town (or even along the trail) I'd say moving the dock to an area where the new ride will not go will minimize the impact

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--Seth

My post was mainly addressing why I believe there doesn't need to be any lagoon shifting in that area.

Regarding minimizing impact:

To move PWE you would have to reconfigure the scenes and find a place to build a new entrance. I was working under the assumption that they would just be leaving PWE alone, as a result of additional costs and amortization, as PWE was relocated to its current position for ID.

That's just one side of the coin, though, especially for us armchair Silvertags. In the big scheme of things, your suggestion is just as valid, and from an investmen/cost standpoint in comparison to the project as a whole, it may be even more economical. I agree that another relocation of the dock over to the Trail side would be a good move and bring some more character to the trail. We'll see how it all pans out

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Dave Kochman
What's this, my throat is beginning to feel better?!?

I like the idea of the dock moving over to the trail side. Of course, the dock, as it stands now, is an awfully nice structure. The new ride though is certainly going to "disrupt" the serene nature of the area.

I suppose that could just take the dock queue building apart piece by piece are move it over toward the Trail but that seems like a lot of work.

I am definately not saying I know anything, but for some reason I was under the assumption that they would move the PWE dock more over by the Cedar Creek Mine Ride.

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cyberdman

Sorry guys, even though I'm the only one and everyone thinks I'm totally nuts, I'm sticking by my opinion of a reverse-free fall for CPin 2003 for the various reasons I've stated in my long initial post. Yes, they are clearing out alot of land but you have to have entrance space/theming along with queue lines. Think about what was done with the aquarium in front of Wicked Twister. I live about an hour away so I'm going to stop there this Friday night and do some "measuring" of sorts starting by the Corkscrew to area 51. I can't wait to see the track in the lot/supports that are up so far. I know it's only wishful thinking but I for one will be a little disappointed if CP doesn't reclaim the title for tallest coaster which SFMM currently holds. I know people are saying they probably will next year, but in all reality another version of a coaster like the 200 ft+. Xcelerator doesn't seem to me to be one that will do this. Anyone know if S:TE and Xcelerator both have magnetic brakes?

Oh, I don't doubt that CP will reclaim the title, but it sure isn't going to be a S:TE. That is rediculous. It would be pointless for CP to put one of those in. Don't they have enough drop-style rides already? Please correct me too if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure the tracking for S:TE is totally different - it isn't standard tubular coaster track - that is for sure.... and it esp. isn't Intamin Box Truss type track. Get real.

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cyberdman

the problem with a reverse freefall:

the magentic brakes onsite don't retract. where, exactly, would these go on a reverse free fall?

Plenty of evidence has been provided on these boards that supports an Intamin Xcelerator type-coaster and disproves a reverse freefall.

Plenty of evidence also now exists in the form of images as to why the coaster will have multiple elements. For instance: the damning, bridging, and pumping of the lagoon, the reason for which is too obvious to explain any further.

Finally, what makes you believe an Xcelerator-type built by the same firm as Superman: TE is uncapable of reaching record heights when Xcelerator was tested by Intamin at far higher speeds than needed. Xcelerator sounds like Intamin' and CP's little experiment to me.

In conclusion, you say you have lurked here for quite a while. Have you actually been reading?

I think you need to go enlighten yourself a bit. If measuring a tract of land is the thing you do to enlighten yourself, then go for it. I think you'll be disappointed to see how much room there actually is, though.

Dave Kochman

I was also thinking that the PWE dock would fit nicely by CCMR. The one side where the geese are fed would look pretty good. Perhaps they could move the existing building that houses the queue inside the grassy area within the ride itself and the dock on the water side.

Also, there is no doubt that this ride will be a rocket coaster.

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There are only a few good and economical areas to put PWE, it would have to have easy to see amid some very tall supports and will probably be on the corkscrew side of the lagoon so that they can stay away from the railroad tracks.

CPFan76-

Um... what about the track????!!!!!???? If it would be a freefall ride then why would they have box track? Wouldnt you think that it would be like S:TE? And why would they put up that sign about them "building for the future" if this so called reverse freefall ride 400 ft tall was already acomplished??? I'm sorry but im not followin you.

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I agree cpkungfu.

When i see a sign that says "CP is building for the future" I think that they are going to be building something record-breaking and new (for CP) that would be unlike any other (except one (xcelerator)) ride. Plus, i have yet to see a patent or anything of that sort for an Intamin reverse freefall ride with box track, or with any company for that matter.

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"Why does this one hour drive seem so looong"

yea...we're kinda going WAYYY off....if it would be a reverse freefall....why drain the lagoon and make a road to the island

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- Dennis

What about the idea of a inverted tophat?...Ive been looking at this structure, and unless Intamin has a new structure for the tophat, this triangular structure looks like that of an inverted tophat like Chiller....just a way out there thought....a 400'+ inverted tophat!

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~Josh M.~
Ripcord Crew 2002

To answer the question that CPfan76 had about S: TE and Xcelerator both having magnetic brakes:

From what I've heard, S: TE doesn't, because MF was supposedly the first roller coaster ever to have magnetic brakes.

Not even close, dude. Superman: Ride of Steel had the same brakes the year before. S:TE "brakes" are magnetic as well, they just happen to be powered.

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Jeff
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I really hope this coaster doesn't include any inversions. Why? Because CP would most likely have OTSRs put on the trains. The "open sensation" (assuming there are no OTSRs) will be a key factor in the enjoyment.

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"Meh."
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CPBOUND, the PWE dock couldn't go over by CCMR because the CP&LE RR would be in the way.

Maiin Heero, If the trains were going fast enough there could be a ton of invesions with no OTSRs.

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Dan Haverlock
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